Flight from London is happening. It's already happened in a large way as well.

You don't see cockney anything anywhere there anymore compared to (and as much as you see any transitional regional identify left in) other British cities.

Homicide is on the drop in London but that's not 100% because it's safer. A huge amount is focused on deaths rather than attacks so don't fool yourself that just because they didn't die that nothing happened.

> crime which is a non-issue in the UK.

Nope. Not even close to true. Yes we don't have school shooters. Yes we don't have people exacting "justice" with a loaded barrel. But we do have gun crime and guns are used a LOT as intimidation. I wish I didn't grow up in an area where I know that to be true.

Trying to pretend there's not a problem is wonderful. And in that case I can point you to some very reasonably priced areas which must be perfectly safe and have no social cohesion issues at all regardless of where you're from...

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alexriddle 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hospital admissions are reliable indicators for violent crime and stabbings in particular - if you get injured you're going to need a doctor and they will record it - and these are going down [1]. There is little to suggest any kind of epidemic or increase in violent crime is going on and the stats on this seem to play out.

What is more of an issue is more antisocial crime such as street robbery or shoplifting. These crimes are much more likely to be snatch and grab, with no violence involved. They still have an impact on the victims but they're not making the city significantly more violent.

[1] https://www.london.gov.uk/london-records-fewest-homicides-ye...

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lazyasciiart 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Flight from London is happening. It's already happened in a large way as well

None of the people I've known who moved out of London did so because of crime or safety. They almost invariably moved because they could pay for a tiny place in the city and commute for over an hour each way or they could pay the same for a larger place outside the city and commute the same length of time on the train.

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hnlmorg 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Exactly this. It’s what I did and it’s what a not so insignificant number of my friends and colleagues have done too

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nxm 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

None of the people you’ve known is not reflective of what may actually be occurring

	▲	lazyasciiart 10 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		This opinion is coming to you directly from the burned out debris formerly known as Seattle, so I think I’m pretty good at identifying imaginary disaster zones.
	▲	frereubu 7 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		But you've not cited any sources either, so don't pretend that you're some paragon of statistical analysis. You've just said things like "I wish I didn't grow up in an area where I know that to be true," which is pure anecdote. Others in this comments thread have provided sources. Why haven't you?

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orf 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> You don't see cockney anything anywhere there anymore

Yes, jellied eels disappearing is because everyone has fled London due to crime. No other reason.

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badgersnake 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Flight from London is happening.

That’s more to do with cost of living. Rents and house prices are insane.