Why do we "need to ship"? 1,000 qubit quantum computers are still decades away at this point

So... In 2013 I was working for Mozilla adding TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support into Firefox. It turns out that some of the extensions common in 1.1, in some instances caused PDUs to grow beyond 16k (or maybe it was 32k, can't remember.). This caused middle boxes to barf. Sure, they shouldn't barf, but they did. We discovered the problem (or rather one of our users discovered the problem) by increasing the key size on server and client certs to push PDU sizes over the limit.

At the very least, you want to start using hybrid legacy / pqc algorithms so engineers at Cisco will know not to limit key sizes in PDUs to 128 bytes.

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ekr____ 3 hours ago | parent [-]

A few points here: There is already very wide use of PQ algorithms in the Web context [0], which is the most problematic one because clients need to be able to connect to any site and there's no real coordination between sites and clients. So we're exercising the middleboxes already.

The incident you're thinking of doesn't sound familiar. None of the extensions in 1.1 really were that big, though of course certs can get that big if you work hard enough. Are you perhaps thinking instead of the 256-511 byte ClientHello issue addressed ion [1]

[0] https://blog.cloudflare.com/pq-2025/ [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7685

	▲	OhMeadhbh 2 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Oh hey Eric. I think I was wrong saying it was 1.1. It was a middlebox that ignored max fragment negotiation, which I think was introduced in 1.2. IIRC, the middlebox claimed to support it for 1.2 connections, but silently failed by blackholing the connection. They eventually crafted a fix, but it was an annoying year waiting for network operators to upgrade the firmware on their routers.