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| ▲ | crazygringo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It does, however, easily get lost or left behind. Phones, on the other hand, can be charged. And if they're smashed, you can just log into your account on a friend's phone if you haven't replaced yours yet. If you can't even do that, you can go to the ticket window and they can look up your account information and verify your ticket. | | |
| ▲ | billfor 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In New York the commuter trains use etickets and if you smash your phone you can just log into your account on a friends phone, but they track how many times you do that any only allow 3 switches. They don't say 3 switches in a certain period, it just says you can only log in 3 times and then the account is locked. After that you have to call them -- and who knows what.... | |
| ▲ | jjulius 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Paper doesn't spy on you. | | |
| ▲ | crazygringo 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either. It doesn't have any more information than the info you give it to buy the tickets in the first place. | | |
| ▲ | vaylian 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > It doesn't have any more information than the info you give it to buy the tickets in the first place. Many apps ask for permission to use your GPS position and other sensor data, even though they don't need it. Most non-technical people don't understand what that means and will just allow it. | | |
| ▲ | crazygringo an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > Many apps ask for permission to use your GPS position and other sensor data, even though they don't need it. What on earth are you talking about? I've installed hundreds of apps in my life and literally never seen that. | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I have absolutely never in 15+ years of having an iPhone had an app ask for GPS or sensor data when it clearly wasn’t necessary for functionality like a maps app or Uber. |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It does when the ticket app demands Location access "to protect your security" | | |
| ▲ | crazygringo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You can set location to only while you're using the app. And when you open it to scan the ticket, they already know where you are. You're at the entrance to the stadium where they scan your tickets. | | |
| ▲ | tomwheeler 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | And that's when you find out the app considers this usage pattern as a signal of fraud, so then you can't get into the event and have no recourse. Their app, their rules, your loss. | | |
| ▲ | crazygringo an hour ago | parent [-] | | Sorry but you've made that up. That's not a thing. I saw your other comment, and that was your fault for not having access to your own e-mail account. Asking you to sign in with a verification code isn't blocking your ticket with "no recourse". Not to mention, you can usually just go to the ticket office and they can look up your ticket if your app isn't working. Obviously they don't advertise this because they don't have enough people to handle if everybody did that. But they're not trying to lock you out from your own ticket. | | |
| ▲ | tomwheeler 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | And as I have just explained in that other comment, they did not ask for a verification code when I bought the ticket. They also did not ask for one when I tested that I could pull up the ticket after I installed their app. They only did so shortly before the show. Perhaps somewhere deep in the terms of service that approximately zero customers have ever read, it says "Use of this ticket is contingent upon having immediate access to the email address associated with your account." Regardless, it seems unreasonable for them to expect that every user will have connectivity. If that is a requirement, they should state it more clearly. | |
| ▲ | jjulius an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >I saw your other comment, and that was your fault for not having access to your own e-mail account. That's the point, though - we shouldn't need always-on, 24/7-access to email for everything always and forever. You're just victim-blaming at this point. >Sorry but you've made that up. That's not a thing. I have a very fun and exciting story about being locked out of my Google Wallet account for that very thing. My primary Google account is still banned from performing any monetary transactions as a result, 10+ years later. |
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| ▲ | jjulius 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either. We're talking about an 81 year-old who has never had a smartphone before and you're starting the sentence with "if"? And that's just that app, not the phone itself or anything else that someone brand new to, and ignorant towards, this ecosystem is going to encounter and not know what to do with. | |
| ▲ | M95D 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either. What about the other apps? What about the phone itself? | | |
| ▲ | crazygringo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The guy already has a phone. Flip phones still track your location. If you don't want other apps, don't install other apps. | | |
| ▲ | jjulius 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | >The guy already has a phone. Flip phones still track your location. Locations from flip phones have to be triangulated. Smartphones track more precise locations and a lot more than just location data. | | |
| ▲ | crazygringo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Great. If you're that paranoid, only turn your phone on to buy the tickets and when you're at the stadium. And don't use it for anything else. This dude has previously paid hundreds of dollars per year because he wanted custom-printed tickets. He can pay a hundred for a cheapo Android to use exclusively for tickets and not give up any privacy at all, if he's more paranoid about tracking than the other 99+% of the population who uses smartphones just fine. |
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| ▲ | Detrytus 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well, depends where you drop it, paper is very fragile medium. Ever dropped an important paper into a puddle, or spilled a coffee on it? |
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