| ▲ | Does coding with LLMs mean more microservices?(ben.page) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 28 points by jer0me 8 hours ago | 20 comments | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | veselin 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think this is a promise, probably also for spec driven development. You write the spec, the whole thing can be reimplemented in rust tomorrow. Make small modules or libraries. One colleague describes monolith vs microservices as "the grass is greener of the other side". In the end, having microservices is that that the release process becomes much harder. Every feature spans 3 services at least, with possible incompatibility between some of their versions. Precisely the work you cannot easily automate with LLMs. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | int_19h an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
That's an argument for components with well-defined contracts on their interfaces, but making them microservices just complicates debugging for the model. It's also unclear whether tight coupling is actually a problem when you can refactor this fast. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | nikeee an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
What matters for LLMs is what matters for humans, which usually means DX. Most Microservice setups are extremely hard to debug across service boundaries, so I think in the future, we'll see more architectural decisions that make sense for LLMs to work with. Which will probably mean modular monoliths or something like that. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | Theaetetus 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I don't think LLMs push us to use microservices as much as Borgers says they do. They don't avoid the problems microservices have always faced, and encapsulation is mostly independent from whether a boundary is a service-to-service boundary: https://www.natemeyvis.com/agentic-coding-and-microservices/ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | tatrions 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The bounded surface area insight is right, but the actual forcing function is context window size. Small codebase fits in context, LLM can reason end-to-end. You get the same containment with well-defined modules in a monolith if your tooling picks the right files to feed into the prompt. Interesting corollary: as context windows keep growing (8k to 1M+ in two years), this architectural pressure should actually reverse. When a model can hold your whole monolith in working memory, you get all the blast radius containment without the operational overhead of separate services, billing accounts, and deployment pipelines. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | siruwastaken 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This seems like the idea of modularizing code, and using specific function sighatures for data exchange as an API is being re-invented by people using AI. Aren't we already mostly doing things this way, albeit via submodules in a monolith, due to the cognitive ctrain it puts on humans to understand the whole thing at any given time? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | _pdp_ 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This makes no sense. You can easily make a monolith and build all parts of it in isolation - i.e. modules, plugins, packages. In fact, my argument is that there will be more monolith applications due to AI coding assistants, not less. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | Kim_Bruning an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
A typical rant (composed from memory) goes something like this: > "These AI types are all delusional. My job is secure. Sure your model can one-shot a small program in green field in 5 minutes with zero debugging. But make it a little larger and it starts to forget features, introduces more bugs than you can fix, and forget letting it loose on large legacy codebases" What if that's not a diagnosis? What if we see that as an opportunity? O:-) I'm not saying it needs to be microservices, but say you can constrain the blast radius of an AI going oops (compaction is a famous oops-surface, for instance); and say you can split the work up into self-contained blocks where you can test your i/o and side effects thoroughly... ... well, that's going to be interesting, isn't it? Programming has always supposed to be about that: Structured programming, functions (preferably side-effect-less for this argument), classes&objects, other forms of modularization including -ok sure- microservices. I'm not sold on exactly the latter because it feels a bit too heavy for me. But ... something like? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | c1sc0 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Why microservices when small composable CLI tools seem a better fit for LLMs? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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