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chasd00 2 hours ago

Did OpenAI really “raise” that much? The startup world is not my area of expertise but I remember reading language in the announcements that implied those dollar amounts where more of a conditional promise of money in the future instead of a check today.

conception 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah if they sold 1/800th of the company for a billion dollars then they are valued at 800b even if they only have a billion dollars. It’s advantageous for investors to both buy in as cheaply as possible but also have future investors to buy in as expensive as possible to prop up a, perhaps inaccurate, valuation.

nl 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a valuation, not the amount they raised.

0xbadcafebee 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's raised in the sense that some people made a pinky promise to give them cash. But those people also don't have the money and have to raise it from other places. It's largely SoftBank, Oracle, Microsoft and Nvidia, all of whom don't have big piggybanks full of hundreds of billions. They ask for loans based on the promise of making cash to pay for it, and that cash is based on people wanting to use OpenAI. So it's kind of a big financial circle jerk. (Debt, SPVs, loans from Nvidia (at high interest rates), etc)

nl 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

This isn't right

> It's largely SoftBank, Oracle, Microsoft and Nvidia, all of whom don't have big piggybanks full of hundreds of billions.

Actually SoftBank, Microsoft and Nvidia literally have free cash sitting there.

NVIDIA for example had over $60B in audited, reported free cash flow in 2025[1]

> loans from Nvidia (at high interest rates),

Is this just something you are making up?

"NVIDIA intends to invest up to $100 billion in OpenAI as the new NVIDIA systems are deployed. The first phase is targeted to come online in the second half of 2026 using the NVIDIA Vera Rubin platform."[2]

The closes there is to waht you are saying is reporting that NVIDIA has discussed guaranteeing some of the loans OpenAI is taking to build data centers:

"Nvidia is discussing guaranteeing some of the loans that OpenAI is planning to take out in order to build its own data centers, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing people familiar with the matter."[3]

This of course is the opposite of NVIDIA loaning OpenAI money - if they did this they would be liable for OpenAI's debts.

[1] https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financia...

[2] https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/openai-and-nvidia-announc...

[3] https://archive.is/Gpvq2#selection-1299.0-1301.181