If Universal Basic Income was a thing, this would probably happen much faster globally

alephnerd 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Japan doesn't have UBI, but it's welfare system is extremely expansive as Article 25 of the Constitution guarantees a minimum standard of living through livelihood, housing, education, and medical assistance.

Additonally, Japan has spent decades thinking about this eventuality (at least since the 1970s), which is why Japan worked on the "Flying Geese" paradigm where Japanese public-private ventures would end up become major capital stake holders across Asia, the US, and Europe.

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jazz9k 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How so? Why would I work harder, If it's all going to pay for someone to sit and do nothing?

After entire generations are subsidized by ubi, the system will collapse on itself.

In the US, native tribes get ubi when they turn 18. The end result isn't happiness or prosperity.

	▲	ngokevin 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		This short-term thinking makes me pessimistic about UBI. Everyone's addicted to work despite automation and AI creating less need for work. And thinking we live in a zero-sum game where if someone else is benefiting, it must be hurting them somehow so they must block it. If someone's getting a "handout", they're a lazy bum.
	▲	7373737373 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Why would you have to work harder when employers of jobs no one wants to do (for a given wage) have to either increase wages or embrace automation research and development (thereby likely speeding up its systemic adoption and reducing the necessity for manual work even more)? Where developing countries have vendors on the streets, industrialized nations have vending machines instead, by pure economic and demographic necessity. The existence of an automation tool doesn't imply a human having to work harder somewhere else. And why do you assume people would sit around doing nothing? I don't think that's a natural thing for most people to do. How financial and social systems are set up seems to be very much a societal choice, unless it goes against some physical, basic economic or global trade limitation. Interesting note on the native tribes though!
	▲	satvikpendem 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		UBI is a solution to there not being jobs at all if they're all automated. Now whether we actually get to such a level is debatable.
	▲	w4yai 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> In the US, native tribes get ubi when they turn 18. This is a myth; fact check please.