What's gone unnoticed with the Gemma 4 release is that it crowned Qwen as the small model SOTA. So for the first time a Chinese lab holds the frontier in a model category. It is a minor DeepSeek model, because western labs have to catch up with Alibaba now.

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guteubvkk 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

on my 16 GB GPU Gemma 4 is better and faster than Qwen 3.5, both at 4-bit

so it's not so clear cut

	▲	tmikaeld 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		depends on usage, Gemma 4 is better on visuals/html/css and language understanding (Which probably plays a role in prompting). But it's worse at code in general compared to Qwen 3.5 27B.

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lostmsu 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's unnoticed because it didn't. In Google's own benchmarks they are on par, and I've seen 3rd party benchmarks where Qwen beats G4 with high margin

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irishcoffee 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The day a western anything will need to catch up with alibaba will be a notable day indeed. Also, this will never happen.