Is this not just about extra credit? So what's included in the subscription doesn't change - just extra credits are now token based instead of message based? (For Plus/Pro)

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nba456_ 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

God every single title I read about AI on this site ends up being a straight up lie.

	▲	camdenreslink 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I think this might also impact how usage is calculated for subscription plans as well, not just overages (using tokens instead of messages for calculating usage). But the message from OpenAI seems vague.
	▲	sixtyj 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I miss “BREAKING NEWS” as it is used at X /s

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raincole 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes.

> This format replaces average per-message estimates with a direct mapping between token usage and credits.

It's to replace the opaque, per-message calculation, not the subscription plan.

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liuliu 6 hours ago | parent [-]

It does feel like also impact the usage meter for subscription plans?

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raincole 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Usage meter has always been completely opaque anyway. They could (and probably did) shrink the limit whenever they like.

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liuliu 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It is a bit insidious that the price hike coincide with the end of 2x promotion, which makes the usage change a bit more obscure.

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HumanOstrich 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It's not a price hike, it's actually making it easier to understand relative usage for different models/features.

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thejazzman 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I have no idea what I’m getting for $200/mo at this point. Maybe that’s on me, idk.

	▲	HumanOstrich an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Fair point. We only have clear evidence they're being more transparent about credit pricing and value, but it's unclear whether that'll make people burn through usage faster or slower. The fuzziness is intentional. It gives them wiggle room and obscures how much "value" you actually get from $200, a 5-hour block, or a week. That keeps the tension manageable between subscription pricing and pay-per-token API pricing, especially for larger businesses on enterprise plans who want transparent $-per-MTok rates. If they were fully transparent, like "your $200 sub gets you up to $2,000 of equivalent API usage," it would be a constant fight. People would track pennies and scream any time 5-hour blocks got throttled during peak hours. Businesses would push harder for pay-per-token discounts seeing that juicy $200 sub value.
	▲	ssl-3 an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I have no idea what I'm getting for $20/mo, either. (But I do know that it's at least $180 less than what I could be spending, I suppose.)

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mrtesthah 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ostensibly this makes usage meter rate changes more transparent?