Sadly I don’t see how our current social paradigm works for this. There is no history of any sort of long planning like this or long term loyalty (either direction) with employees and employers for this sort of journeyman guild style training. AI execs are basically racing, hoping we won’t need a Schwartz before they are all gone. But what incentives are in place to high a college grad, have them work without llms for a decade and then give them the tools to accelerate their work?

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Wowfunhappy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Then the social paradigm needs to change. Is everyone just going to roll over and die while AI destroys academia (and possibly a lot more)?

Last September, Tyler Austin Harper published a piece for The Atlantic on how he thinks colleges should respond to AI. What he proposes is radical—but, if you've concluded that AI really is going to destroy everything these institutions stand for, I think you have to at least consider these sorts of measures. https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2025/09/ai-colle...

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mrob 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>What he proposes is radical

It sounds entirely reasonable and moderate to me.

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conception 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, we are already rolling over and dying (literally) on everything from vaccine denial to climate change. So, yes, we are. Obviously yes.

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dragontamer 3 hours ago | parent [-]

In the US it is dying off.

Not so in plenty of other countries. Hopefully US reverses the anti-science trend before it's too late

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conception 2 hours ago | parent [-]

These movements are growing in every western nation. The trend has been growing over decades. It would be nice to see it reverse but seems unlikely before calamity.

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adriand 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

It’s a deliberate process powered by rightwing and capitalist interests designed to create a dumber, less educated and more distracted population. A war as stupid as the one with Iran would not have been possible three decades ago. As ill-advised as the Iraq war was, Bush at least spent months explaining the rationale and building support for it, successfully. Now that’s not needed.

I saw interviews with young Americans on spring break and they were so utterly uninformed it was mind-blowing. Their priorities are getting drunk and getting laid while their country bombs a nation “into the stone ages”, according to their president. And it’s not their fault: they are the product of a media environment and education system designed for exactly this outcome.

	▲	vinceguidry 14 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I was there for that war. Kids weren't listening and didn't care back then either. If anything, Gen Z is the most politically-aware generation we've had since we started keeping track. Trump doesn't have to justify a single thing because the billionaires behind him know that every last bet is off and their very livelihoods are at risk, and his entire base of support up and down the chain are either complicit or fooled. What the world does when they finally realize Democrats and Republicans are simply two sides of the vast apparatus suppressing the will of the people by any means necessary will be... spectacular.

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senordevnyc an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Article is paywalled, so perhaps you could just summarize his proposal?

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Wowfunhappy an hour ago | parent [-]

> At the type of place where I taught until recently—a small, selective, private liberal-arts college—administrators can go quite far in limiting AI use, if they have the guts to do so. They should commit to a ruthless de-teching not just of classrooms but of their entire institution. Get rid of Wi-Fi and return to Ethernet, which would allow schools greater control over where and when students use digital technologies. To that end, smartphones and laptops should also be banned on campus. If students want to type notes in class or papers in the library, they can use digital typewriters, which have word processing but nothing else. Work and research requiring students to use the internet or a computer can take place in designated labs. [...] Colleges that are especially committed to maintaining this tech-free environment could require students to live on campus, so they can’t use AI tools at home undetected.

You can access the full article at https://archive.is/zSJ13 (I know archive.is is kind of shady, but it works).

	▲	boothby 38 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> If students want to type notes in class or papers in the library, they can use digital typewriters, which have word processing but nothing else. Only, replacing the guts of such a machine to contain a local LLM is damn easy today. Right now the battery mass required to power the device would be a giveaway, but inference is getting energetically cheaper. > Colleges that are especially committed to maintaining this tech-free environment could require students to live on campus, so they can’t use AI tools at home undetected. Just like my on-campus classmates never smoked weed or drank underage, I'm sure.

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jayd16 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some folks need to touch the hot stove before they learn but eventually they learn.

If AI output remains unreliable then eventually enough companies will be burned and management will reinstate proper oversight. All while continuing to pay themselves on the back.

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FrojoS 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> There is no history of any sort of long planning

Sure there is. Its the formal education system that produced the college grad.

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conception 3 hours ago | parent [-]

… between employees and employers.

The proposal that everyone pay for college until they are in their 40s doesn’t seem viable.

	▲	FrojoS 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Maybe, but there is a trend towards more and longer education. More college graduates, more PhD grads, etc.