| ▲ | cue_the_strings 8 hours ago |
| All of these studies are always performed by Finns (or SE / DK / NO + maybe Russia). I'd love to see this (and other sauna studies) replicated by someone somewhere to the south or hotter climates in general (southern Europe, Africa, hotter parts of Asia and the Americas). |
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| ▲ | gjulianm 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I doubt they would replicate it or any of the magical effects of saunas. Lots of the sauna studies suffer from the same issue where people self-report sauna usage rather than being assigned randomly to a treatment group. In countries where saunas are readily accessible and most people are under the impression that the more you use sauna the healthier you are, the ones that use the sauna less are probably because they tolerate it far worse. And that's probably related with age, comorbidities, physical condition, etc. Basically, the sauna studies are probably mostly discovering that "healthier people can stand sauna longer". In countries where most people don't stand sauna for more than a few minutes, that self-selection bias won't exist. |
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| ▲ | lukan 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | If you want to experience positive health effects from sauna, you don't have to set records in heat and duration. You just get hot and sweat as much as you feel is fine. So you can do it in almost all conditions. Sweating out bad stuff from your body, activating the blood flow, unless you are at risk of a aneurysm - of course it is beneficial, even though it doesn't magically turn your health around. But a proper sauna and ice bath do revive and make you feel reborn. Try it at least at some point and then you can judge if it did not make you feel more alive and healthier and that all the studies around it a "probably bullshit". | |
| ▲ | fy20 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Also location. In my country, saunas at home aren't as common in Finland, but basically every gym has one. So the people that use the sauna the most, are likely to be the most active. | |
| ▲ | curiousgal 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't know about that. As in yes I agree but that seems to apply to Western countries in general. For example in Tunisia, people go to public baths at least once a week and part of that involves sitting in a hot steamy room for 30+ minutes. So here you have an example for a population that does use sauna (in a way) but aren't relying on self-reporting. |
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| ▲ | helsinkiandrew 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There’s a saying in Finland that foreign "saunas" are not true saunas at all, but rather just "untypically warm rooms". The experiments where at 73°C which is a lot hotter than most gym/hotel/spa saunas I’ve been in outside Finland |
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| ▲ | tauntz 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As an Estonian, anything below 80°C is considered a "kids sauna". 80°C - 90°C is a cold-but-workable sauna and proper sauna starts from 90+°C. I'd assume it's the same in Finland as we share a lot of the sauna culture. | | |
| ▲ | omnimus 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This would be same in Germany and eastern european countries too. But it really depend on humidity. High humidity saunas don't have to be hot and get tough pretty quicky. 100c dry sauna is lot more manageable than 60c humid sauna (atleast to me). | | |
| ▲ | tauntz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Indeed, humidity matters a lot. Most our saunas here are löyly (in Finnish) saunas, so you get a rollercoaster of dry - humid - dry cycles. Once you get to 100+c and throw a good amount of water on the stones, it can get quite challenging to endure :) Everybody has their personal preference of course. For me, the sweet spot seems to be a moderately humid sauna at 93c. At that point, the löyly is not too harsh yet but is still hot enough to make you feel alive :) | |
| ▲ | PaulDavisThe1st 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | My steam room (at home) at 116F/47C is close to the upper limit of bearable for me. But that's a lot more humidity than even a humid sauna. |
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| ▲ | nextlevelwizard 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | 90+ sauna sounds painful. Are you actually throwing water? Because even with 80 the steam is pretty hot | | |
| ▲ | trhway 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Whether sauna is hot or not depends on whether you enjoy the cold water plunge afterwards :) The typical preset on dry saunas in Bay Area is ~165 F (73 C). Which is cold. Loss of time and money :). Usually, by closing or throwing cold water on sensor, one can make it to 180-190 F (82-87 C) - this is where you start to feel like you are in sauna, though it takes prolong time to heat you up enough to enjoy the cold plunge. If you're lucky enough, you can get to 200, 210, 220 F (104 C) - this is where you start to feel relaxed with heat working inside you. >Are you actually throwing water? Because even with 80 the steam is pretty hot Of course those numbers would be impossible to enjoy in steam sauna. |
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| ▲ | ttiurani 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Also while 73°C is a proper sauna, there are plenty of hotter ones. 90°C is closer to what I'm used to at my apartment building's common sauna. I do take two breaks when I'm there for 30 mims though. | | |
| ▲ | mrgoldenbrown 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | What percent humidity? That is just as important as temperature for understanding how tolerable a particular sauna is. |
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| ▲ | KellyCriterion 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | 73° hot? Here in mainland Europe, a "classic fin sauna" is usually at least 90°++ | | |
| ▲ | yeahforsureman 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Would those be "dry saunas" or proper ones where you're allowed to throw water on the rocks? Adding humidity ('löyly') is kinda the point, and 73°C might be just fine for a small sauna, giving you a nice punchy löyly. | | |
| ▲ | KellyCriterion 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > hrow water on the rocks? Depends on the location!
Very often, at public locations there is a "saua master" taking care, in smaller locations I have seen people handling this on their own. And in one location there was a sign: "no private watering due to electrical issues" | | |
| ▲ | mesrik 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think I've heard US it's mostly no water at all on stove and Germany I've heard they have had these sauna-masters who come and cast water on stove. Neither of these are practised anywhere in Finland at least. But there are at least one Finnish swimming bath where they had to limit steam competitions and made a button controlled mechanism to administer water instead of free usage. Not because electrical shock prevention but because bad human behaviour per se. |
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| ▲ | kakacik 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes every sauna I have ever been to in Europe (spas, various gyms) have electric heater with stones on top. Infra saunas are only for cheapest installs at home and usually dont generate enough heat. Also, 80° celzius minimum for proper saunas, I have been to >100 celzius ones and its a struggle to remain for 15 mins inside. Another point - I consider the after-part most crucial for health benefits to me - as-cold-as-possible long shower or even better a similar dip pool. Few days after that my cold resistance is significantly higher. Just the heating of body in sauna I can reach also ie with cardio workout or free weights, which brings tons of other benefits. | | |
| ▲ | mesrik 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That "electric heater stones on top" is usually called stove, "kiuas" in Finnish :) When needing to define type of stove, it's electric stove, wood heated stove. Latter has two types, which continuous wood burning is still common (this stove you can add burning wood during bathing) and older not so much any more used before bathing heated type stove which you cannot add wood while bathing. Oldest type is smoke-sauna, which doesn't have chimney at all. Wood is burnt in stove when heating, then when burnt enough sauna is ventilated first and then bathing starts. But all these different heating elements are commonly stoves, just adding electric-, wood-, or smoke- stove is added context requiring. Infra saunas then have those lamps of course, no stove there. | |
| ▲ | gehwartzen 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is one of the primary reasons I use a sauna; the cardiovascular benefits. I hate doing cardio exercises at the gym or elsewhere. |
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| ▲ | kikimora 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Anything beyond 90 C is not a sauna :) Better to have 90+ and hot steam as in Russian sauna (banya) :) | |
| ▲ | ludicrousdispla 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | you can sous vide beef and pork at a lower temperature than that | | |
| ▲ | koolba 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I knew a guy that would bring a steak sealed in a vac seal bag to the gym and leave it in the sauna while he worked out. One hour later he was done working out and it was ready to eat too. Not sure I can actually recommend it to others but the novelty was interesting till they nearly kicked him out of the gym. | | |
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| ▲ | sumea 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And also replicated with participants not used to high temperatures inside a typical Finnish sauna. As the study said such people are very difficult to find in Finland. But I wonder if a person who has never been to a real sauna would tolerate this study protocol (2*15 min at 73° Celsius) without any training. Sauna and hot climates may sound counterintuitive, but it has been tested by most Finns that when you come out of a hot sauna any outside temperature feels cool. |
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| ▲ | piva00 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm an immigrant in Scandinavia, originally from a hot country, in my experience a 73C steam sauna is quite tolerable for a 2*15 min session. The first time I was in a sauna after moving was a bit harder than after getting used to it but doable. Nowadays I just love them, my friends and I built a couple of saunas to leave by the lake in their summerhouses, the cravings of going from hot -> very cold, and back to the heat is hard to explain, and I totally recommend it. | |
| ▲ | anthk 5 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Northern Spaniard there, bring a Saunaa lover Finn with one of these climate-change induced hours at 43C at some day or two in Summer... in the Atlantic, in Bilbao, which is... inside a valley. I've been in saunas at 60-70C and the feeling inside was much bearable because of the lack of humidity than 43C under a climate closer to UK than inner/Mediterranean Spain. |
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| ▲ | usrnm 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ever heard of hamam? |
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| ▲ | thesz 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Hammam is not as hot as sauna and not as dry. Sauna's air temperatures can reach above 100 degress Celsius and humidity is usually relatively low (around 20%). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna Hammam's temperatures are around 40-50 degrees Celsius and humidity is close to 100%. These are very different conditions, with very different body response. | | |
| ▲ | gjulianm 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Hammam's temperatures are around 40-50 degrees Celsius and humidity is close to 100%. Which makes it absolutely unbearable. By the way, that combination of temperature + humidity will cause severe hyperthermia (which can be deadly) faster than people think. | |
| ▲ | KellyCriterion 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is also a World Championship with up to 130° https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Sauna_Championships :-D | | |
| ▲ | Towaway69 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Was - there was a world championship The last time it was held, a Russian died and a Finn ended up in hospital with severe burns. The problem is that staying as long as possible in a sauna can be fatal. | | |
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| ▲ | dafelst 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I have not, what is it? | | |
| ▲ | alphager 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | A steam sauna originating in Turkey, popular in many Arabic countries. | | |
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| ▲ | Jensson 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It is hard to study this in a place with less access to saunas. |
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| ▲ | dafelst 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Saunas are very cheap to buy and/or build, certainly within the budget of an average research grant. |
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