This is very admirable of him to try, but it will always be very difficult, unless one breaks away from Deuteronomy, Book of Joshua and other such parts of the Bible.

Koran gets a bad rap, but some parts of the bible are just horrific.

Had it been a modern day manuscript it would have been seen as a post-hoc rationalization of genocidal domination of one tribe over others.

Of course then come the game of 'dont take it literally and its all a metaphor something something'

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%202...

"When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.

If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you."

The choice that is offered is between slavery and genocide. This is going to be downvoted (already has) but I am just quoting the Bible.

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ThunderSizzle 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Considering Christians should be putting the New Testament on a higher order than the Old, it should be trivial to not be stuck in the Old.

You probably can thank Christian Zionism and sola scriptura for people forgetting about Jesus while talking about the OT endlessly.

Both of those heresies truly derive from a sense of individual automony and authority, placing the individual nearly equal with God

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srean 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I largely agree with you. Yes there is ordering but there is no breaking away or denouncing. If you don't, you are always vulnerable to an upstarts who holds you accountable on those parts.

But that said, it's really commendable that the pope is trying.

	▲	ThunderSizzle 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Denouncing is an odd word to use or expect. A a Christian isn't going to "denounce" the Bible, even if it's the Old Testament. I think the proper way to put it is seeing the Old Testament through the vision of Jesus Christ as the Messiah and fulfillment of the Old Testament, which itself is complicated and confusing. It really confused St. Paul when he realized through his vision the Truth, and it took time for him to reconcile his knowledge of Scripture with the reality of Christ. Regardless, too many Protestants find that hard, because that admits that Christ fulfilled the Jewish faith, and that is "antisemitic"...see Ted Cruz as an example of that opinion. He thinks fulfillment theology is some sort of error, but it's exactly what the apostles came to believe and practice. Anyway, I hope more Christians come to listen to the current Pope. I could understand ignoring Pope Francis, as he was relatively inconsistent and incoherent, especially for English speakers, but Pope Leo has not shown the same negatives yet.

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anthk 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In order to be nearly 'equal' to God you would need to:

- learn in a hard way, your DNA it's there to learn from your surroundings, you are not a rock.

- apply what you learn for the pure pleasure of knowledge, not to brag about it like a smartass.

- share you learnt with your peers with no profit mindset at all, just for the collective good, isolated knowledge it's useless.

- repeat.

Yep, a bit like Read, Eval, Print, Loop from Lisp.