AGI is here? Yann Le Cun has a few weeks ago once more presented his PoV about how current LLMs fail: https://youtu.be/nqDHPpKha_A?is=sQsO57UWwR8LGZkW

in french ...so in my own words:

1) Still unreliable at logic and general inference: try and try again seems to be SoTA...

2) Comically bad at pro-activity and taking the right initiative: eg. "You're right to be upset."

3) Most likely already reaching the end of the line in terms of available good training data: looking at the posted article here, I would tend to agree...

I think we agree - we have arbritrary goalposts regarding AGI and they have been met. WE don't know what we consider to be "the big changing moment" and that moment is hard to define because we don't have a good definition of it when we talk about ourselves even.

So the convo becomes - what is that "thing" and do we need to draw similarities between "it" and our own intelligence.

> we can’t even figure out why humans have consciousness right now.

My uneducated guess is that it just means we save/remember (in a lossy way) inputs from our senses and then constantly decide what to do right now based on current and historical inputs, as well as contemplated future events.

I think the rest of our body greatly influences all of that as well, for example: we know running is healthy and we should do it, but we also decide not to run if we are busy, feel tired, or are in pain etc.

Why do people conflate consciousness with AGI?

Intelligence is about being able to use information, make deductions, inferences or hypotheses. And presumably use that to inform action.

Consciousness is about having an internal experience. I would regard many living things as having consciousness but not a general intelligence.

It's evidently fueled a healthy debate here and you've tossed your opinion in the ring because of it.

I think you're on to something - we need a measure of what is considered "human levels of competence" or some bar by which we say "ok this is consistent enough"

I like this - calling it "usefulness" - I think that's actually something the community could get behind - AGU - where we are right now, and 2 terms for 2 milestones we have yet to reach - which could be reached in any order:

1. increases in consistency and quality to some specific measure

2. development of human-like qualities - "consciousness"? "Intuition"?

And then we toss the term AGI which is overloaded and ambiguous.

Interesting, could you explain it further - I'd like to know what that means - I thought I covered this in definition 8 - but with the very blatant asterisk in the post being - we have it and it works but it doesn't work consistently enough and with acceptable quality in long enough runs or open ended tasks - but I believe we will get closer and closer to this target with improvements in models and scaffolding.

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Since when? I've never understood AGI to require that.

I have never met a human that managed that, and we still let them vote!

Seems kinda arbitrary.

More humans publish non-replicable "science" in sociology -- your bar is way too high

That’s a limiting definition imo.

Which part of running a vending machine do you think would be hard for a SOTA model?

The clickbait and ensuing arguments will never end. That is our fate.

Once ASI exists we'll still have people arguing whether it's actually AGI or not.

It is quoted relentlessly and so is worth addressing, for example see https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/artificial-general-intellig...

I mentioned it to have a more complete set of definitions for AGI from across the community - but do agree that it is by far the weakest and more-so a measurement of human variability and gullibility than AI intelligence.

People mention it to remind the world that the goal posts have been repeatedly moved by critics, and always will be.

A certain percentage of humans will never acknowledge that machines can be intelligent. Those people should be disqualified from the conversation for the same reason we disqualify biblical literalists from conversations about radio carbon dating.