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pfannkuchen 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

How about we just don’t fight stupid wars? There hasn’t been a real need for a draft in America since the civil war (in the sense that America was not plausibly threatened by the world wars, Korea, Vietnam, etc).

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aworks 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Americans during WWII thought it was a fight for national survival, starting with the shock of Pearl Harbor. Isolationishm turned to intervention in the "Good War." I won't defend any war after that...

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pfannkuchen 2 days ago | parent [-]

> Americans during WWII thought it was a fight for national survival

Right, they did. But in retrospect, was it actually?

If the US had stayed neutral from the beginning, do we think Japan would have bombed America's military base?

	▲	aworks a day ago \| parent [-]
		Interesting counter-factual. Philip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle suggests what would have happened if the US did lose the war. Remaining neutral would have been a different result, though.

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dingi 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Wars are part of nature. It is inevitable. So your proposition is based on wrong assumptions.

	▲	pfannkuchen a day ago \| parent [-]
		You have parsed “stupid wars” differently from what I meant. It’s not that war in general is stupid, it’s that the wars America has gotten involved in for a long time now have all been stupid.

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samus 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Especially since women have largely abandoned their traditional duties and still kinda expect men to hold their end of the bargain.

As far as I see, women still birth and raise children and take care of most of the household; they just also work in the addition. Don't know what you're talking about.

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dingi 2 days ago | parent [-]

Birth rates among liberal women in almost all developed societies suggest otherwise. Women are doing double duty and doing both badly. Women are relatively and absolutely less happier than they were 50 years ago. So I'm having hard time believing that this new norm is a win for anyone.

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samus 2 days ago | parent [-]

The reality is that most women are simply not interested in raising more than two children per person. If this is undesirable from a societal perspective then they either need to be forced (which I hope you're not seriously suggesting) or the incentives to raise more children need to be increased (atm there are none except personal satisfaction) and the downsides need to be mitigated (without a stable career, women are wholly dependent on their spouse's income).

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dingi a day ago | parent [-]

Yeah right. Depending on their spouse is not ok but depending on whims of a soulless corporation is ok. Do you hear yourself?

	▲	samus a day ago \| parent [-]
		Where do you think husbands get their money from?

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cteiosanu 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Manoshpere much ?

	▲	asksomeoneelse 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		If society enforces men's roles using the law and you're fine with it, don't come complaining when it does the same for women.
	▲	AlexeyBelov 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		The whole comment section here makes me sad. Rightoid paradise very similar to Youtube comments. I wonder when HN starts openly talking about "joos", "big noses" and "getting rid of certain minorities".