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nikanj 5 days ago

Gambling seems like a rational choice, when all the ”traditional” rational choices just lead into a mountain of student debt, not being able to afford a home, and general failure to launch

Summed up very nicely in https://oldcoinbad.com/p/long-degeneracy

revlsas 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

How could it possibly be the rational choice if the ev doing so is so ridiculously negative?

Having student debt doesn't justify throwing away the rest of your residual income

toast0 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

What's the ev for going to college once you factor in graduation rates?

People that get two or three years of college debt and no diploma have a big hole to fill and a small shovel.

Anyway, I think ev isn't the right tool to model gambling behavior; dollar utility isn't linear. It's more about a small spending for a large potential. But then you get into repeated small wagers and such.

Aunche 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

College graduates make over $1 million in their lifetime compared to high school graduates.

> Anyway, I think ev isn't the right tool to model gambling behavior; dollar utility isn't linear.

You're right. The more money you have, the less utility it gives you, which makes gambling for a windfall an even worse decision. Worse still if you include taxes.

tonyedgecombe 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

I always thought those numbers were dubious because you are mostly comparing people who are capable of getting a degree with those who aren’t.

toast0 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What about college dropouts?

verteu 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> What's the ev for going to college once you factor in graduation rates?

Very positive (IRR ~9%). It's been studied extensively: https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/server/api/core/bitstrea...

jeffbee 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If I borrow a lot of money to start a business and then don't start the business I would also be in the hole. So, don't do that?

Acrobatic_Road 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

you can always go back and finish later...that's what I'm doing.

toast0 5 days ago | parent [-]

My school expires credits after 7 years.

nikanj 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

-If I don’t gamble, I’ll live my whole life as a poor serf

-If I gamble and lose, the same wage cuck life awaits me

-If I gamble and win, I may actually ascend and have the kind of life I aspire to

watwut 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Seeing gambling as rational choice is spectacular fail of logic. It is an emptional choice of action.

caditinpiscinam 4 days ago | parent [-]

Was "emptional" intentional, or a typo? Apparently it's a real word.

> From emption + -al Adjective (obsolete, rare) Capable of being purchased

atom058 3 days ago | parent [-]

I also did a double take on this one! New word discovery. Sharing the same root as e.g. 'Emporium' I would assume.