| ▲ | Herring 5 hours ago |
| Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (welfare, healthcare, unionization, high taxes etc) is usually low among Americans. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/welfare-cuts... |
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| ▲ | Terr_ 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I think a lot of the people behind the rise of fascism are ones who experience "status anxiety" as a constant baseline. Actual safety through a government of laws will never appease them. |
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| ▲ | parineum an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The right is rising all across European countries that have all of these things. |
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| ▲ | gzread 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You think they have these things, but they don't. I am theoretically eligible to get 60% of my income for 3 months after losing my job, while I look for my new job. But if I actually try to claim that, they demand so many documents and meetings that it's not actually practical to receive that benefit. The only people who can receive benefits are the people who are experts at navigating the benefit system. For instance, if you do not file a certain form on a certain exact day, then your benefits will not start until 3 months after you became unemployed. That is exactly the same time period this unemployment insurance benefit normally covers. By that time you should already have a job anyway and they will ask you to explain why you couldn't get a job in 3 months, since the benefit normally only covers 3 months. Nobody will tell you how to navigate this. Nobody will tell you the correct form to fill out on the correct day. If you don't already know the arcane rules, you don't get the money. This is how most European social benefits work. They aren't actually provided to normal people. |
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| ▲ | newfriend 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | Herring 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Fascism always needs an enemy/excuse/scapegoat, and if it can’t find one it makes one out of thin air. It can’t actually solve societal problems, that requires progressives. | | |
| ▲ | nostrebored 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don’t think this has ever actually been a critique. It solves societal problems in a way that many people don’t like while introducing others. | |
| ▲ | SV_BubbleTime 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The previous administration literally forced ICE to pull fences and barriers down to let illegal immigrants cross the border. Perhaps, actions like that could have opposite reactions like… IDK… A majority of voters overwhelmingly selecting The Mass Deportations Guy? | | |
| ▲ | gusgus01 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Are you talking about the razor wire that the supreme court allowed the administration to remove from the Texas border? If so, a little disingenuous to say fences and barriors when talking about razor wire. If not, please cite your sources so we can all be informed. | | |
| ▲ | JuniperMesos an hour ago | parent [-] | | Razor wire is a type of fence and barrier. But more importantly, why did the Biden administration fight in court for their right to remove razor wire from the Texas border? What does that action suggest about the attitude of the Biden administration towards people crossing the border illegally? |
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| ▲ | Tostino 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You mean like both Obama and Biden did, much to the dislike of people on the left of the Democratic party? | |
| ▲ | Sl1mb0 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I always wonder what people who say these things think about the fact that we have someone in the white house who was mentioned in the Epstein files more than Jesus was mentioned in the bible. Whatever it takes to get rid of those pesky aliens right? | | |
| ▲ | nostrebored 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | These are completely orthogonal. That’s cool if you want to appeal to an in group, but I think you’ll find that a huge portion of the country thinks that we should have rules around immigration. So do most other countries. You should probably argue your actual position instead of “your guy bad my guy good”. This comment is more Reddit than HN. | |
| ▲ | JuniperMesos an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Lots of people's names appear in the Epstein files, because Epstein was a socialite who made efforts to connect socially with large numbers of people. I do not assume that someone's name appearing in the Epstein files in and of itself implies they are guilty of sexual assault or of any other crime. I also note that this is not the first time Trump or one of his associates has been accused of sexual assault on flimsy evidence - I still remember the media circus around Brett Kavanaugh's supreme court nomination and the extremely flimsy rape accusations that huge numbers of people took seriously because they thought it might derail his nomination. I frankly think this line of reasoning is backwards - some people want to prevent aliens from being deported so much, they're eager to let themselves be convinced that anyone actually doing deportations is a rapist or other equivalent evildoer. |
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| ▲ | jeffbee 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I thought it was to simply throw fascists into the sea. Simple
Effective
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| ▲ | gruez 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >Effective The problem with political violence is that the other side will do the same thing, and you end up with an IRA situation where the country descends into sectarian violence. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The IRA situation had a slightly lower bodycount than the not-throwing-1930s-fascists-into-the-sea one, did it not? | | |
| ▲ | gruez 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | How many people died under the Bolsheviks, or the Communists in China? | | |
| ▲ | tomrod 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | More than one or two, if memory serves correct. How many people died under the totalitarian regimes that preceded them? These oppressive regimes did not start in a vacuum. | | |
| ▲ | gruez 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | >How many people died under the totalitarian regimes that preceded them? These oppressive regimes did not start in a vacuum. You're proving my point. Political violence just leads to a cycle of more political violence and/or totalitarianism. The Chinese Communists, if you recall, were violently put down by the Nationalists in the civil war. Starting political violence to stop the "fascists", just condemns your society to that fate. Not to mention that people who engage in political violence aren't exactly the most sane people. What makes you think they'll stop at "fascists"? The Bolsheviks eventually turned against the Kulaks, once their allies, and Mao launched the Cultural Revolution to consolidate power and push out rivals. |
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| ▲ | dragonwriter 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The problem with refraining from political violence where it is warranted is that the other side will do it anyway and you end up dead. | | |
| ▲ | SV_BubbleTime 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > political violence where it is warranted When is it warranted against you? Let me guess, it never is because “your side” is never wrong and always “the good people”… right? What an amazing coincidence! | | |
| ▲ | gzread 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | When I am a fascist, I warrant being chucked into the sea. As far as I'm aware, I am not a fascist, even though actual fascists like to call everyone they disagree with a fascist and call for their execution. That's the real problem: Fascists copy tactics, and most people are shallow. If you can call someone a fascist and murder them, fascists quickly learn to call everyone who isn't a fascist a fascist and murder them. There will not be a deep investigation into whether a person really is a fascist. | |
| ▲ | wewtyflakes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Remember posts like this and how they are so glib in the face of the autocracy. They will gaslight you, make you feel like you are the crazy one, and be the first to say you deserved it when you have finally have had enough and decided to push back. | |
| ▲ | analognoise 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm not worried about political violence because I haven't been denying anyone's constitutional rights, stealing from The People, denying anyone's health insurance claims, or roughing up peaceful protesters and random brown people. I didn't layoff a bunch of people to make my quarterly numbers. I'm not so hated I have to live on a military base out of fear. It seems pretty simple: Live a life where, if you get plugged, nobody's cheering and everyone's angry. |
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| ▲ | gruez 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >is that the other side will do it anyway and you end up dead. Preemptive first strike logic[1] aside. This logic doesn't work because political violence never gets out of hand so fast that an entire political movement can be wiped out. On the other hand by starting/advocating for political violence you're almost certainly going to get the descent into sectarian violence before you can wipe out all the "fascists". [1] Iran, anyone? |
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| ▲ | nine_k 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Why won't all good people rally together and kill all bad people?" | | |
| ▲ | SV_BubbleTime 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s so strange because obviously my people are the good ones and everyone knows that! |
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| ▲ | tayo42 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Confusing, the right are the ones advocating for cutting these things? |
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| ▲ | greedo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes? At least in the US, the GOP has been working relentlessly for most of my life to reduce welfare, to reduce Medicaid, to make unionization difficult and to neuter existing unions, and most of all, cut taxes on the rich. | | |
| ▲ | tayo42 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Right, so the idea is that right wing policy of cutting support systems is fueling right wing growth. People are dumb, or this is what they want? Both? Lol Seems weird though | | |
| ▲ | watersb 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The playbook has been to manipulate "low-information voters" by promising that you will attack a marginalized group of people. Get the voters to believe that you are on their side by echoing the fear and hatred they have for The Enemy. Action against The Enemy replaces any action to directly address economic and social marginalization. It's how we process information. Avoiding this cognitive glitch takes practice. |
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| ▲ | georgemcbay 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Confusing, the right are the ones advocating for cutting these things? This is where the racism comes in. As long as you believe that the social safety net cuts are disproportionally hurting the "other" more than you, you have plenty of space for the cognitive dissonance required to support the cuts even when they are negatively impacting your own situation. Combine this with the fact that the right has two tiers, one of them made up of wealthy asset owners who politically push for the changes (and benefit from them in the form of extremely low taxes) and the second made up of working class people who can be convinced the changes are good as long it allows them to think those they see as below them will suffer more than they will. Get yourself a nice feedback loop going in the form of hurting the poor, convincing them the source of their oppression is the "other" to get them to support even more austerity, repeat and you can explain a lot about the politics of much of rural America. | |
| ▲ | Herring 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ask a lot of software engineers what they think about European-style salaries and taxes to pay for a welfare state. | | |
| ▲ | andrewjf 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I would be very happy to do so if we had working infrastructure, education, and health care not coupled to the generosity of your employer. Isn’t it the case anyway that if you add state, federal, local, property, capital gains, and sales taxes, add the money that you and your employer pays for healthcare, that you’re basically paying slightly more in taxes all-in? | |
| ▲ | tomrod 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Huh. Most software engineers I come across am at worst ambivalent and at best highly desiring of unions. | |
| ▲ | jmye 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What do you think “welfare state” means? Do you think “European-style” salaries solely occur because “European-style” people, for instance, have a different healthcare system? |
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