Not longevity in the general sense, but in the cardiac disease and mortality sense, yes, it's pretty firmly established. It's also an area that attracts a lot of quackery, is somewhat hard to study (for the normal reasons that a lot of nutrition stuff is hard to study).

And it's an area where there is legitimate nuance: we only measure LDL-C partly because it's easy and available, there are other ways of looking at blood lipid particles we could be measuring that might be more effective (like ApoB), it interacts with other things like insulin, inflammation, metabolic health, blood pressure.

But all that said, the case for high LDL being bad for heart attacks and strokes is very strong.

To me the strongest short list of evidence is simply:

- People who have familial hypercholesterolemia, from different genetic causes/pathways, all have massively increased heart disease at young ages.

- People who naturally have a disabled PCSK9 gene have extremely low LDL levels, where PCSK9 is directly involved in the liver's ability to clear LDL from blood, and these people also have incredibly low incidence of heart disease.

- Modifying cholesterol levels via PCSK9 or statins both have very strong evidence that they work on people who have heart disease, we have many RCT involving people who have already had one heart attack, and they have clear dose response curves: the amount of LDL reduction is directly proportional to risk reduction. We have less clear evidence on healthy people and from diet but those people are just a lot harder to study.

It's true that not everyone with high LDL develops plaque and we don't know why, but I feel a lot of "lipid hypothesis skeptics" tend to swim around in the gray areas and just don't interact with the more smoking gun bits of evidence that have to be explained away if you are going to say that LDL has no effect.

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pedalpete 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I actually just responded with almost the exact opposite, but maybe I'm the "lipid hypothesis skeptic".

Seeing as the threat is calcium build-up in the arteries, and because cholesterol is a vital component of health, I believe that if you are in good health, and don't have a history of heart-disease, or have diabetes or other auto-immune disease which increases risk of atherosclerosis, lowering cholesterols is an in direct measure.

It's about understanding your personal risk and making decisions based on that.

	▲	ctoa 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I actually don't think your response is the exact opposite, but you touch on some of the skeptic stuff, so I'll respond to here: First of all, I agree with your points that you should consider the individual. My long term interest in this is also from being a very fit, low blood pressure, metabolically healthy person who always had at least somewhat elevated LDL (sometimes very elevated) that doctors would flag. PCSK9 people are as close to a natural experiment on the effects of life time low LDL as you will get and they get near total protection, even when they have no other risk factors. People like smokers, hypertensives and diabetes have ~90% less than other high risk people, but people without any of those factors also have significantly less heart disease. People with two broken PCSK9 genes have close to zero LDL and have noticeably completely plaque free arteries as adults. I do think this does pretty fatal damage to the theory that you must have some other health issue for LDL to be bad. It's very likely that "LDL-C" the lab measurement isn't as good as measuring ApoB, but for most people, they are concordant. And ApoB is a different way of looking at low density lipids, by particle count instead of weight. Dietary stuff like the fats in the article that lowers LDL measurements typically also lowers ApoB in most people. So, in part, I agree that more precise biomarkers can help adjust individual risk. But most people are concordant. And the evidence that the underlying "low density lipids", no matter how you measure them, are causally part of the disease process is very strong.

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dirtbagskier 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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