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kelsey98765431 3 hours ago

if you dont colo your own servers you don't own anything.

xoa 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>if you dont colo your own servers you don't own anything.

I'm confused, what does ownership have to do with this particular failure mode? The issue here is a (for many) unforeseen new tradeoff involved in centralization. Colocating at a central place has the exact same tradeoff in this case: bandwidth is vastly more available and cheaper towards the core, and there are significant amortization gains to be had with a lot of basic shared infra. But it's also one big structure holding a lot of computers and infra everyone is depending on, that's the whole point of it! We're all sharing network backbone and power filtering/redundancy and so on and so forth, vs paying for that separately. That means a missile or drone or bomb hit to the building still hits all of us whether we own the servers there or we're running workloads on someone else's servers.

The only responses are either central counter measures or decentralization. Both have significant costs and complexity, that's why it wasn't just done proactively right?

indolering 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I think it's a joke: you REALLY don't want to own your own servers.

lta 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think it is. There are many many cases where you do want to own them. The people you rent yours from are making a shit load of money so it doesn't sound that bad of an idea

sophacles 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I buy lots of things from people who make a pile of money from low margin goods/services sheerly on scale. There are many things i could not reproduce more cheaply from constituent parts, even if i value my time at $0.

This includes things I have expertise in.

brianwawok 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It sometimes makes financial sense to own your own servers

UltraSane 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

You do if you need absolute control over data location, isolation, and physical access.

legitster 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You should have the opposite takeaway - if you don't have redundancy in the cloud you don't actually have uptime.

postepowanieadm 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your servers also may get hit with a bomb/missle.

stavros 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would I want to own a cut-off datacenter in Dubai?

duskwuff 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

... with some extra holes in it, no less.

pvtmert 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think co-locating with AWS or any other DC in Middle-East would help in this case. Unless you bring your own missile defence network, you are vulnerable.

In the case of if you could bring your own missile-defence-network, then you probably don't need co-location anyway. (There is nothing "co", it's just location you build & operate, with your Patriot or whatever)

NooneAtAll3 3 hours ago | parent [-]

boolean "you are vulnerable" means nothing, because it's always True

spreading out decreases risk, concentration increases it

UltraSane 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

"If you don't colo your own generators you don't own anything."