You realized they were always shitheels. Musk was a complete visible fraud long before 2016.

anthonypasq 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Elon is a social dumbass with the emotional maturity of an edgy 14 year old boy, but calling him a fraud I'd say is false and unproductive.

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palmotea 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Elon is a social dumbass with the emotional maturity of an edgy 14 year old boy, but calling him a fraud I'd say is false and unproductive.

Given the massive string of lies he spun about "full self driving" over the last decade or more, I don't think so.

Even before his recent political turn when he got widely vilified, I didn't trust him because of his record.

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foobiekr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He is absolutely a fraud. He has been lying about many things for more than a decade to boost his stock. He has more in common with Trevor Milton than anyone else.

	▲	CamperBob2 19 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		An atheist might call Franklin Graham or Jerry Falwell a fraud, but the people who fill the stadiums and pews keep coming back, year after year, decade after decade, generation after generation. They are obviously getting something positive out of the experience. Same with Musk and the stock market. At some point, victim-blaming may be the only rational explanation left. His followers are rubes falling for a fraud, yes, but it can hardly be considered involuntary or exploitative at this point. The rubes have become rich simply by sticking together under Musk's benevolent gaze, dominating financial discourse in the broader market. It will continue to work for them, right up until it doesn't.

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mrhottakes 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He's been lying through his teeth for the better part of two decades, "fraud" is true and productive.

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marcusverus 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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insane_dreamer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Obnoxious, egocentric, very low EQ, and with almost no moral values, absolutely. Fraud? Not sure. He did make a lot of outlandish predictions, but on the other hand, Tesla revolutionized EVs (forcing everyone to follow suit), and SpaceX revolutionized space tech. He can't take credit for the technical achievements in either, but he did have the tenacity to push both through. Can't say many other people would have done that.

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guzfip 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Indeed, he always seems like an obnoxious media attention whore to me long before he got into politics.

I tend to have a negative view of celebrities who did cameos for the Simpsons far past its peak lol