| ▲ | The_suffocated 7 hours ago |
| Not all men, but all men over 17 and under the age of 45. This still seems draconian, though. |
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| ▲ | nwellnhof 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The law says all men aged 17 and older, not military-aged. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/__3.html |
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| ▲ | raffael_de 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Number of characters for the title is limited. And while I wouldn't necessarily call it draconian because after all somebody has to defend my country; it in deed comes as a shock. And it is also shocking that I just randomly stumbled over this news article when this law is in effect already for 3 months. How is it possible that our news talk about all sorts of nonsense but not about something as fundamentally relevant as this ... this is the real shock. |
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| ▲ | uyzstvqs 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > And while I wouldn't necessarily call it draconian because after all somebody has to defend my country The ends don't justify the means. Conscription has no place in the free world. It's slavery, plain and simple. Going into the military should be an appealing career choice. Our soldiers are supposed to be highly skilled professionals, not cannon fodder in large quantities. | | |
| ▲ | raffael_de 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | So, if some other country with different value system attacks your homeland with intention to effectively colonize it then you'd be okay with just letting it happen? | | |
| ▲ | kiviuq 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I believe it is up to the free individual to make that decision. I'm not saving the slave ship when I'm treated like one. ps: There are 8 billion people on this planet, and I've never had any serious issues with any of them, much less a reason to start a war. Governments are always the cause of everyone's misery. Beware of yours! | | |
| ▲ | IAmBroom 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | We now know for certain you don't live in Ukraine, nor any other country that has been invaded in your lifetime. | | |
| ▲ | kiviuq an hour ago | parent [-] | | My family is from Ramallah so my wish to die for someone's greater cause is somewhat constrained. |
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| ▲ | uyzstvqs 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No. I support a strong, volunteer military force of highly trained professionals (AVF). For example, how the US Army works today. It's not only moral and compatible with human rights in the free world, it's also far more effective. |
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| ▲ | haukem 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I am also surprised that I haven't read about this in German news before. I am following the news. If Trump would have signed an executive order with a similar content affecting US citizen, German media would probably report about this multiple days long with many articles. I was looking in Google news for other reports about this, but only found an article from Berliner Zeitung published 5 hours after this article from Frankfurter Rundschau. I am worried about what other information which could be important to me, the news did not report on. As far as I understood the law the article from FR is correct: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/__3.html | |
| ▲ | mnmalst 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I agree in general. One reason we haven't heard anything about it might be that the administration already admitted that this legislation needs correction or at least clarification, as mentioned in the article. | | |
| ▲ | raffael_de 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No, that is not mentioned in the article. The correction and clarification is regarding how exactly this is being implemented. The law is there ... don't think this is a mistake. And there should be serious discussions in a society before something like that is made a law. | | |
| ▲ | mnmalst 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Fair, yes I agree. Didn't mean to excuse anything they introduced. |
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| ▲ | kristianc 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Draconian law gets introduced, public outcry ensues. Oh okay we will make it six months then. This is how civil liberties get eroded. |
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| ▲ | znpy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s also discriminatory on the basis of the gender, “weird” that nobody’s complaining about that. |
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| ▲ | atmavatar 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Men are biologically disposable. If a nation lost 90% or better of its adult male population, it could still bounce back within a generation or two. Women have no incentive to change that, and the small fraction of men powerful enough to change it can already exempt themselves from the meat grinder. The remaining men's opinions don't matter. | | |
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| ▲ | jalapenoj 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Drafts seem like an outdated pre-globalist concept. Die for the borders nobody respects anyway. You need to be nationalistic when it’s useful to your leaders that hate you. Of course just the natives need to die, all the immigrants won’t be doing that. |
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