| ▲ | pjc50 7 hours ago |
| Specifically, this is another Parliament vs Commission issue. The Commission loves to have little deals away from the public where everything is quietly smoothed over, while the Parliament is trying to build popular legitimacy. |
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| ▲ | vintermann 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Also, I'm not sure there's much pressure involved. Mass surveillance is a thing "centrist" EU politicians very much want themselves. |
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| ▲ | benoau 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg publicly voiced his dissatisfaction and sought support from Trump, while Apple’s Tim Cook reportedly asked the White House to directly intervene against EU fines imposed on his company. https://www.euractiv.com/news/widespread-alarm-over-commissi... Apple even went so far as to demand the EU repeal these laws, and is likely still non-compliant in several ways; for which they should have been fined tens of billions of dollars by now! https://www.reuters.com/business/apple-urges-eu-regulators-t... Trump has delivered for them, made it a point of contention for trade deals and threatened sanctions on anyone enforcing them. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-weighs... | | |
| ▲ | peyton 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > they should have been fined tens of billions of dollars by now! Maybe cartoonishly large fines levied against powerful entities wasn’t such a great idea. Other incentives may have been better suited to getting the populace what they want in the long term. | | |
| ▲ | bryanrasmussen 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >Maybe cartoonishly large fines levied against powerful entities right, the tradition is that fines be cartoonishly small so that breaking the law can be factored into the cost of doing business, who the hell does the EU think they are to go against tradition!!? | |
| ▲ | benoau 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't think there is an incentive lawmakers could offer that is worth more to Apple than monopolizing fees and subverting competition, there is practically no limits they will go to to preserve that status quo around the world. The only time they have eagerly complied with anything relating to this is when Judge YGR gave them this ultimatum, they approved Fortnite a full day early once someone had to be personally responsible for defying her order a second time: https://x.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1924499498513862720/phot... | | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That seems like a better model than stupefying fines against the corporate entity then. Forget about billion dollar fines, just give them a slap on the wrist while telling them explicitly what they have to stop doing, but then if they keep doing it the executives are personally held in contempt. It also solves the perverse incentive of "fine the foreign companies as a revenue generation method" because the result is getting them to comply instead of either repeatedly fining them for not doing it or trying to extract a fine so large it becomes an international political issue. |
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| ▲ | mc32 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It’s the public/private dichotomy you see everywhere. Publicly pols say one thing or stand for one thing and privately they hold different views. | |
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| ▲ | rayiner 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The EU should abandon the stupid Commission structure and have a real Parliament that can actually draft legislation. The current one can just vote down legislation drafted by the Commission. |
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| ▲ | AnthonyMouse 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | What they ought to do is have a process for passing EU-wide laws where they get introduced by a popularly elected legislature but to be enacted they also have to be approved by the majority of the legislatures of the member states. That gives you a good check on centralized power grabs because the member states have to approve anything that could usurp their role, but you can still pass things that make sense at that level like a common set of antitrust rules. | | |
| ▲ | pjc50 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Isn't that how QMV works? | | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse an hour ago | parent [-] | | The current system is new legislation has to be drafted by the Commission, which is the indirectly elected executive branch. That allows what would otherwise be popular proposals to never even be introduced. Whereas if you have legislation introduced by the directly elected body, popular proposals at least get a public debate and people get to see what they are and who is blocking them, but you still ultimately want the check on power grabs and populist nonsense before it actually gets enacted. |
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