| ▲ | toomuchtodo 7 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
There is nothing wrong with over provisioning cheap renewable power generation when it is economically superior to building fossil assets that will end up stranded. As long as grid demand is met and it is cheaper to build renewables and batteries to do it, it will be done, and that is the path we're on. If gas plants cannot economically compete, they will not be built or fired. And the evidence shows they cannot compete, regardless of their competing capacity factor and dispatchability. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | chickenbig 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> There is nothing wrong with over provisioning cheap renewable power generation when it is economically superior to building fossil assets that will end up stranded. Solar cannibalises solar, so the price when the sun shines may tend to zero, but that does not ensure the price to the consumer of the electricity they need tends to zero, or even lower than it was. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | pepperoni_pizza 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Do you have some links to how someone scaled up storage? I know that scaling up solar is easy, but I don't know of any nation that build significant storage. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | myrmidon 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
You are still arguing against a strawman. Cucumber3732842 is just saying that nameplate capacity is a systematically flawed metric when comparing renewable generation, because their capacity factor is consistently lower than for conventional plants. A better metric would simply be annual production, where we're in the ~30% range globally (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-electricity-renewab...). Even that comparison portraits renewables very favorably, because dispatchable power is easier to handle than the same output from intermittent sources. If you look beyond electricity (heating/total primary energy use) the picture gets even worse. This is not an argument against renewables, this is against premature cheering and misleading use of numbers. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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