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wg0 2 days ago

Google might not have the best coding models (yet) but they seem to have the most intelligent and knowledgeable models of all especially Gemini 3.1 Pro is something.

One more thing about Google is that they have everything that others do not:

1. Huge data, audio, video, geospatial 2. Tons of expertise. Attention all you need was born there. 3. Libraries that they wrote. 4. Their own data centers and cloud. 4. Most of all, their own hardware TPUs that no one has.

Therefore once the bubble bursts, the only player standing tall and above all would be Google.

whimblepop 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I recently canceled my Google One subscription because getting accurate answers out of Gemini for chat is basically impossible afaict. Whether I enable thinking makes no difference: Gemini always answers me super quickly, rarely actually looks something up, and lies to me. It has a really bad unchecked hallucination problem because it prioritizes speed over accuracy and (astonishingly, to me) is way more hesitant to run web searches than ChatGPT or Claude.

Maybe the model is good but the product is so shitty that I can't perceive its virtues while using it. I would characterize it as pretty much unusable (including as the "Google Assistant" on my phone).

It's extremely frustrating every way that I've used it but it seems like Gemini and Gemma get nothing but praise here.

mike_hearn 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

My wife was amazed to discover that Gemini recommended to her a local business that turned out to be in another country, and then after she checked and corrected it, it recommended a second that was marked as permanently closed on Google Maps.

ChatGPT got it right first time. Baffling.

j45 a day ago | parent [-]

ChatGPT has more time correcting those things.

mike_hearn a day ago | parent [-]

This was the Gemini chat interface! It just didn't seem to be connected to Google Maps

neonstatic 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I used Gemma 3 for quite a few things offline and found it to be very helpful. Your experience with Gemini is very similar to mine, though. I hate the way it speaks with this fake-excited, reddit-coded, condescending tone and it is useless for coding.

staticman2 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've found Gemini works better for search when used through a Perplexity subscription. (Though these things can quickly change).

logicchains 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Recently I had a pretty basic question about whether there was a Factorio mod for something so decided to ask it to Gemini, it hallucinated not one but two sadly non-existing mods. Even Grok is better at search.

whimblepop 2 days ago | parent [-]

Whenever I ask it questions about videogames (even very old ones), the odds that it will lie to me are very high. I only see LLMs get those right when they go look them up online.

The other thing that kills me about Gemini is that the voice recognition is god-awful. All of the chat interfaces I use have transcriptions that include errors (which the bot usually treats unthinkingly as what I actually said, instead of acting as if we may be using a fallible voice transcription), but Gemini's is the worst by far. I often have to start conversations over because of such badly mangled transcriptions.

The accuracy problems are the biggest and most important frustrations, but I also find Gemini insufferably chummy and condescending. It often resorts to ELI5 metaphors when describing things to me where the whole metaphor is based on some tenuous link to some small factoid it thinks it remembers about my life.

The experiences it seems people get out of Gemini today seem like a waste of a frontier lab's resources tbf. If I wanted fast but lower quality I'd go to one of the many smaller providers that aren't frontier labs because lots of them are great at speed and/or efficiency. (If I wanted an AI companion, Google doesn't seem like the right choice either.)

solarkraft 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree with the theory and maybe consumers will too. But damn, the actual products are bad.

0xbadcafebee 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tiny AI labs with a fraction of Google's resources still turn out amazing open weights. But besides the logistics, the other aspect is can I use it? Gemini (and some other models) have a habit of dropping conversations altogether if it's "uncomfortable" with your question. Recently I was just asking it about financial implications of the war. It decided my ideas were so crazy that I must be upset, and refused to tell me anything else about finance in that chat. Whereas other models (not abliterated, just normal models) gave me information without argument, moralizing, or gaslighting. I think most people are gonna prefer the non-nerfed models, even if they aren't SOTA, because nobody wants to have an argument with their computer.

mhitza 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At the start of last year Gemma2 made the fewest mistakes when I was trying out self-hosted LLMs for language translation. And at the time it had a non open source license.

Really eager to test this version with all the extra capabilities provided.

chasd00 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Not sure why you're being downvoted, the other thing Google has is Google. They just have to spend the effort/resources to keep up and wait for everyone else to go bankrupt. At the end of the day I think Google will be the eventual LLM winner. I think this is why Meta isn't really in the race and just releases open weight models, the writing is on the wall. Also, probably why Apple went ahead and signed a deal with Google and not OpenAI or Anthropic.

WarmWash 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

The rumor is also that Meta is looking to lease Gemini similar to Apple, as their recent efforts reportedly came up short of expectations.

wg0 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't know why I am downvoted but Google has data, expertise, hardware and deep pockets. This whole LLM thing is invented at Google and machine learning ecosystem libraries come from Google. I don't know how people can be so irrational discounting Google's muscle.

Others have just borrowed data, money, hardware and they would run out of resources for sure.

faangguyindia 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Same can be said for java, yet google own android.

greenavocado 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

This remains true so long as advertisers give Google money.

bitpush 2 days ago | parent [-]

Why wouldnt advertisers give Google money? Are you noticing any shift in trend?