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happytoexplain 8 hours ago

There is no implication in the parent comment that it should.

The fact that we can't comprehend even talking about anything beyond legality sometimes is just mind-boggling. We are sick.

ozgrakkurt 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Really feels like there is a moral collapse all around.

Seeing some people’s post about prediction (gambling) markets is another eye opener on this topic.

Also the latest elected government of US is another one.

Not sure if it was always like this or I grew up. But it for sure seems like there is a collapse.

plant-ian 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah I'm not sure if it's collapse or just the bad that was there all along has been let off the leash. I guess my point is I'm not sure that people lost their morals as much as the people with the morals lost the power.

withinboredom 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I would say it was a collapse of ethics, not morality. Most people have morals (their own belief system on what is fair), but their morals may not be ethical (rule-based morals to achieve fairness). I personally attribute it to cars and the internet.

The internet removed consequences. You can say the most vile thing imaginable to another human being and… nothing happens. No social cost, no awkward eye contact at the grocery store, no reputation hit in your actual community. Just a dopamine hit and a notification count.

Cars did something sneakier. We spend hours every week sealed in a metal box, alone or with the same people. No random encounters, no friction with people who think differently. Just you, your podcast, and whatever is important in your tiny echo chamber.

Put those two together and you get people with deeply held morals and zero framework for applying them to anyone outside their bubble. Ethics requires seeing strangers as real. We've engineered that out of daily life.

cwmoore 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Agreed, the ultimate state-monopoly on use of force, right to private property, legislated penalties and remedies, the time and expense of pursuing fairness, in the absence of full moral consideration, or common sense for lack of a better term, is a giveaway to entrenched authority, attorneys or deep-pockets, and not a sensible approach to dynamic real world right and wrong.