If any of that were true why does Israel forbid foreign journalists from reporting facts on the ground? Why did they kill more journalists than all prior conflicts in human history?

▲ dlubarov 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's more or less the same with any modern military. Ukraine for example doesn't allow journalists (foreign or not) in the more dangerous areas near front lines, with rare exceptions for journalists that they invite and escort.

It's perfectly reasonable to not want unrestricted journalists leaking information about military assets, or possibly getting themselves killed. Most people seem to understand (or at least not care) when Ukraine imposes press restrictions. The question should be, why are people suddenly outraged when Israel does roughly the same thing?

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austin-cheney 6 hours ago | parent [-]

That is not the same. When the US invaded Iraq there were over 3000 journalists in Iraq. None of them were in firing zones to be used as human shields. That said, there are still journalists operating in Ukraine even today.

How many journalists does Israel allow in Gaza, anywhere in Gaza? The answer is 0. Worse still is that they appear to directly target journalists for elimination, as became evident when they shot a rocket at a building stairwell that contained only journalists trying to transmit video and then shot a second rocket at the exact same location shortly after to kill any first responders. The entire event, both rocket attacks, was caught on video that made it out of the enclave.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Nasser_Hospital_strikes

	▲	dlubarov 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Iraq isn't the most useful comparison because it wasn't feasible for the US to fully control access; determined journalists could find ways into the warzone. They still tried to encourage embedded journalists, who they could protect and also censor, so that they weren't tweeting photos showing artillery locations or what not. There are journalists operating in Ukraine, but they're either - embedded/escorted (IDF did a bit of that also) - in safe ("green") areas far away from fighting (Gaza is too small to really have those; Ukraine is ~1650x larger) - or just ignoring the laws, and illegally reporting from dangerous yellow or red zones

▲ haght 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

what is the source for your journalist claim?

also, i repeat, i hate Israel, but look at it from their point of view.

any coverage of the conflict looks bad for israel, because they are the strong side here. it is plain simple, that people always side with the weak in most cases. so imagine, a journalist enters gaza, sees how everything is destroyed, how poor the people look. of course your avarage joe will see this think that it is bad. and it doesn't matter that hamas is basically behind all this. and that nothing would have happened if hamas didn't attack israel. and hamas know all of this, so they station people and ammunition at schools and hospitals, because its a win-win. If israel doesn't strike, than good and they have ammunition, and if israel does strike, than also good, because media will see it, and scream how bad is israel. See how human cost doesn't matter here? Israel prioritises its own people, so hamas should do the same, and stop putting civilians in danger. Remember, hamas started it by attacking israel, and did not finish it when they had the chance. Everything could have finished much and much faster, if they just released the hostages.

you can see the same thing with ukraine. At first, ukraine appeared weak, so everyone was siding with it. but now, when ukraine shows that they are strong, people on the internet look horrified how russian soldiers are annihilated with fpv drones and scream about how such things are war crimes and should be stopped.

	▲	AlotOfReading 12 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		`Israel prioritises its own people, so hamas should do the same...` Last I checked, the Israeli government opposed a two-state solution. That means Palestinians are Israel's people.
	▲	benterix 14 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		> ow, when ukraine shows that they are strong, people on the internet look horrified how russian soldiers are annihilated with fpv drones and scream about how such things are war crimes and should be stopped. Sorry who are those people and where I can find them? In my bubble Ukraine is still the victim who lost 20% of its land, and Russians are still bombing the country daily, both military and civilian targets. All male Ukrainians are basically prisoners in their own country who can only pray they don't die soon.
	▲	austin-cheney 14 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_journalists_in_the_... https://www.ifj.org/war-in-gaza
	▲	polotics 15 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Hamas as financed, and helped grow, and fostered as an entity, and rid of its more middle-of-the-road competitors, by two you-know-who parties in this farcical tragedy, parties that comically keep identifying themselves as one another's mortal enemy... glad I never set foot in that madhouse in 20 year and most likely won't ever again.