its ironic that Israel becomes the new Nazi

vincnetas 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

irony is too week a word for for this situation...

	▲	yanhangyhy 15 hours ago \| parent [-]
		yeah..

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PurpleRamen 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They are not, and it's not helping the message to spread this wrong picture.

Nazis had a dedicated machinery, based on crude racism and conspiracy ideology, which was actively seeking and executing their genocide. Israels lunatics lack this, their aim is stealing land, and the mass killings are just a side effect of their religious bullshit.

Not understanding this difference derails the communication about this problem.

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tremon 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Can you explain the difference then between "crude racism and conspiracy ideology" on the one side and "Israel's religious bullshit" on the other? Because I don't see much difference between the nazi view that Aryan blood is superior and Israel's view that Arabic lives are inferior. And Israel's perpetual self-victimization and insistence that every Palestinian civilian is a Hamas terrorist and that they're hiding in every building sure sound like conspiracy ideologies to me.

	▲	PurpleRamen 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Can you explain the difference then between "crude racism and conspiracy ideology" on the one side and "Israel's religious bullshit" on the other? Jews have a history of 3000 years. Nazis have a history of around 20 Years. Jews have religious scriptures, whose purpose is more practical and positive overall (I guess). Nazis build their whole Ideology mainly on fake news, greed and their harmed ego, completely negative. > Because I don't see much difference between the nazi view that Aryan blood is superior and Israel's view that Arabic lives are inferior. Israel is not moving out to cleanse the world from inferior blood. The Nazis did. Their whole history is a big copping on the big wars outcome and how bad Germany suffered from it and how they seek reparation for it and revenge on those they consider the culprits. Of course, it's significant more complicated than that. My point is, they both are bad, doing stupid shit, but their motivation and the lines they are willing to cross are very different. Israel whole purpose is to control their holy country, they don't care about the rest of the world, but they do care about anyone threatening their little paradise. And everything else is just result of the process.

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orwin 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, agree. Nazi are typical fascists. Apartheid regimes might look fascistic at first glance, but they do not fill all the Umberto Eco criteria, or, if I go deeper (and imho to a more universal way to detect fascism), they do not have the same mythos as fascists, in particular those needs to point to internal enemies, 'traitors' if you will, that apartheid state don't (the discriminated population are not considered traitors, merely inferior). While some mediatic Zionists are fascist or at least have huge fascistic tendancy for sure (calling someone 'self-hating Jew' is to me a sign), the state isn't.