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lnx01 12 hours ago

In the context of an online marketplace "Unlocked" means "Not carrier locked". This has _nothing_ to do with the bootloader.

bentley 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well, it has something to do with it. In the context of Pixels, carrier‐unlocked phones always allow the bootloader to be unlocked, Verizon‐locked phones never do (see, e.g., https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24254-no-way-to-use-my-veri...), and for other carriers it varies but often requires additional manual fiddling. To quote the GrapheneOS FAQ:

> Devices sold in partnership with specific carriers may be locked by the carrier, which will prevent installing GrapheneOS. This is primarily an issue with US carriers and isn't common elsewhere in the world. To avoid this, either don't buy a carrier device, or make sure it can be unlocked.

Groxx 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is there a difference there for a Pixel? I thought those bootloaders have always been unlockable (after carrier unlocking, which should be possible after the contract is paid off).

OsrsNeedsf2P 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe. But Swappa confirmed it meant bootloader unlock

wildzzz 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I wonder if the person you talked to actually knew what they were talking about. Swappa explains what an unlocked device means in their FAQ and a bootloader is not mentioned.

https://swappa.com/faq/answer/unlocked-device

jerlam 9 hours ago | parent [-]

That's sad, because one of Swappa's main selling points (and the reason they got popular) is that they started out as a marketplace for Android phones, and should specifically know about rooted / bootloader unlocked / etc. phones. Enthusiast stuff.

Their About page says:

> The inspiration for Swappa sparked when Ben had trouble finding a good source for test devices for Android development projects.

zozbot234 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If it's not a carrier locked device, what would be the reason for it not to be OEM unlockable once connected to the Internet? This is not about the device being logged into an existing user account, that would trigger FRP which is something different.

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mindslight 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Someone can be forgiven for thinking that "unlocked" means "not locked" rather than "locked but with only one lock".

I only buy used devices from online marketplaces/vendors with free returns, as it keeps the incentives aligned such that sellers don't want to hide defects (as it just increases their return rate).

zenGull 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

100% this.