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8organicbits 5 hours ago

I don't think it's the code that makes WordPress valuable. I've been learning WordPress recently and haven't been too impressed with the internals. WordPress is valuable because of the ecosystem and support. I have no doubt that WordPress will still be a thing in ten years. What's the support plan for EmDash? I see commits are mostly from a single developer.

E: Oh, I think it's an April fools joke, I'm embarrassed.

E2: Apparently not a joke.

kbdot 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Cloudflare doesn't do April fools jokes. In fact, 1.1.1.1 was released on April 1st back in 2018 and now it's one of the most used DNS service in the world.

CodeWriter23 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

8 years later and now I'm getting the 4 1's joke.

avarun an hour ago | parent [-]

I still don't get it

riffraff 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I interpreted it back then as just following the tradition of 8.8.8.8, 4.4.4.4, 2.2.2.2

switz 10 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

4 1's == 4/1

could just be a coincidence

mygooch 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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benatkin 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a legit April Fools'.

On the initial commit:

> Some content is hidden

> Large Commits have some content hidden by default. Use the searchbox below for content that may be hidden.

This for "a spiritual successor to WordPress".

a57721 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

Isn't it normal for the initial commit to be large?

gbibas an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Building plugins across WordPress and Shopify right now — can confirm the ecosystem is the entire moat. The code quality is genuinely terrible, but it doesn't matter because every SaaS tool on earth has a WordPress connector.

The real test for any WordPress replacement: can a non-technical business owner hire someone on Fiverr to customize it in an afternoon? WordPress passes that test. Nothing else does. That's not a technology problem, it's a labor market problem.

jimnotgym an hour ago | parent [-]

I did that once, employed someone on Fiverr to do a WordPress site. They installed a load of plugins for no reason, made a mess, then gave me my money back. I went back to a static site.

That has been my experience, low barrier to entry, low price, shoddy work. Or hire an agency, pay top dollar for little work.

jgrahamc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can assure you this is not an April Fools. Cloudflare does not do that. This is a real project.

reaperducer 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I can assure you this is not an April Fools. Cloudflare does not do that.

It should. I miss the days when tech was interesting and fun.

Even Steve Jobs, for all his later-day revisionist hard-assed reputation, enjoyed the occasional Easter egg, inside joke, or April Fool's joke.

HeWhoLurksLate 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I appreciate a good April Fools joke, I also appreciate CloudFlare's approach of "we're extra serious today, here's some useful stuff for ya"

sophacles 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There were some years in the 90s and early 2ks that had good april fool's jokes, and that was what bubbled up. Not everyone did, so the novelty also made the "meh" ones seem better. By 2008ish everyone was doing one, and most of them weren't very good. By 2012ish marketing got involved and almost all of them were terrible and unfunny.

It was a nice tradition but, like many things, the scene got too big and corporate. It was a zombie tradition for a while then slowly faded away.

In fact when cloudflare started releasing serious things on 4/1, I found it to be a refreshing subversion of the trope.

alsetmusic 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I hated that shit. I'd load Slashdot and there was no real content or it was difficult to find real news amongst all the crap. It's not funny. It's annoying.

Dylan16807 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Some of the april fools things can be annoying, but I have a big shrug for there being less real news for a day. Anything important will get through and most days don't have much interesting news anyway.

reaperducer 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I feel bad for you. That's a lot of anger over virtually nothing.

alsetmusic 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Would you be annoyed if HN went offline just for the hell of it for a day every year?

But you're right, I was an extremely angry person back then. Many years of therapy and deliberate ongoing work and I'm a radically different man. Thank goodness I got to the other side.

reaperducer 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

Would you be annoyed if HN went offline just for the hell of it for a day every year?

No. Not even a little. HN is not food. HN is not water. HN is not my family or my job or in any way vital to my life. It's an amusement. A diversion.

I am not a FOMO victim.

Robdel12 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hm, you might want to catch up on the Wordpress “open source” drama with WP.com vs .org, WP engine and Matt.

thisislife2 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's always https://textpattern.com/ which is also as old as Wordpress (older?) and better coded. (See also thttps://textpattern.org/ ).

zdragnar 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It stores plugins as strings in the database, then pulls those strings back and evals them as PHP on requests.

"Better coded" is very much a subjective assessment.

hatmanstack 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There might be pie on your face but they stole my line, https://github.com/HatmanStack/kill-wordpress

8organicbits 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I think you need to account for the base rate. There's a lot of WordPress plugin vulnerability disclosures because there's a lot of WordPress plugins and there are enough deployments of the plugins to make searching for those vulnerabilities is worthwhile.

That site warns that WordPress plugins can be abandoned, but that's clearly not a WordPress specific issue. Sure some site could use SSG, but that's a different design.

I certainly don't want to claim WordPress security is good, but I'm not sure that site is measuring anything meaningful.

hatmanstack 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Just measured your visit, zing.

codeulike 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Its impressive work from CF that lots of people in this thread are unsure whether its a joke or not, like a delicately balanced april fools for the hn crowd

reddalo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh, come on. It must be a joke. They can't be serious with this sloppy thing.

sophacles 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

Lets skip the part where i say "how is it sloppy, can you show me" and you say "just look at it, cmon" and "I say no really i don't know" and you say "do your own research" and i say "I really don't know, I'm don't work this high in the stack, please help me understand".

Instead let's just discuss: how is it sloppy, can you show me?

calvinmorrison 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

wordpress is valuable because it allows very bad developers / marketing people to write very bad code and get away with it, driving extremely low cost solutions for clients who are cost concious.

yes you want a global db handle sure ya lets delete all tables woohoo

busterarm 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> wordpress is valuable because it allows very bad developers / marketing people to write very bad code and get away with it, driving extremely low cost solutions for clients who are cost concious.

You've sort of nailed it, but this isn't a bad thing. An alternative for these customers does not exist.

There's another vertical which is organizations that have armies of writers churning out content. Any kind of publisher or advertiser, basically. There is no better CMS for this. Large organizations like NYT, etc chose to write their own.

sp1nningaway 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>> wordpress is valuable because it allows very bad developers / marketing people to write very bad code and get away with it, driving extremely low cost solutions for clients who are cost concious.

> You've sort of nailed it, but this isn't a bad thing. An alternative for these customers does not exist.

Yes! I'm locked into WordPress, which I hate, because it's the only platform that will allow a non-developer to maintain it if I get hit by a bus.

QuantumGood 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I started building sites for clients in the late '90's, and quickly made "client can edit their phone number on all pages" a key requirement. Wordpress with a WYSIWYG page builder solves that — it's not the only solution, but it works pretty close to right out of the box.

busterarm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Which also allows you to not be on call 24/7.

A decade ago I had to learn and run WordPress for a job. I held my nose up the stink was so bad. But quickly I learned how to manage it and have modern sensible practices around it and I've probably gotten more real value out of it than any other CMS or web framework I've touched. That includes Rails.

Thankfully I don't have to do that anymore, but you can sanely and safely run WordPress today and there's zero shame in it.

bombcar 3 hours ago | parent [-]

There are options that can be run by anyone, but they're often very constrained in what they can do and show.

Wordpress is solidly in that middle ground where you can do a large amount of customization if someone'll pay for it, and then they can do the day-to-day care and feeding of it.

Everything else has either been much worse in all possible ways (Joomla!) or has been a collection of developer wish-lists unusable by anyone (Drupal).

calvinmorrison 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

yep. we like it because with shopify or other platforms, you run into limitations. with Wordpress I can literally just whip it into whatever shape i want.