I've argued (mostly offline, for my sins) with far more libertarian-ish people than I care to have, and I think piekvorst has a) been a more congenial conversational partner than you gave him credit, and b) approached the subject from a slightly different angle than I'd expected, so I'm still enjoying the interchange. In particular (read our latest replies to each other, if you care), he's in favor of regulating lead pollution, so he's miles ahead of certain of my relatives in both principles and practicalities!

But... Yeah. I'm in much more agreement with your point of view, and he's still Wrong On The Internet, so here we are. :-)