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narrator 4 hours ago

Trump already said he was just going to bomb all their infrastructure so the economy of the country couldn't function if they didn't negotiate and then it's just going to be a mass refugee crisis. It would be a mass refugee crisis anyway with a protracted ground invasion, but more Americans would die, so Trump is choosing to get it over with the easy way for America at least if they won't negotiate.

IMHO, This is pretty much the strategy the Khans used in the 13th century when they encountered arrogant Islamist Sultans emboldened with the bravery of their faith who refused to capitulate. They killed all the islamic people in Baghdad and then proceeded to fill all their canals and burn all their books. This decisively ended the Islamic golden age and Europe was able to survive after a very difficult 14th century where it would probably have been easily crushed by Islamists from the East had the Khans not set them back at least a few centuries. Truly one of the big turning points in World History.

Oh yeah, we can't do this to Russia because they have nukes, but the Ukrainians are trying to do it piecemeal.

Quarrelsome an hour ago | parent | next [-]

What this current administration is doing speaks much more of a lack of strategy than what the Khans did in the 13th century.

Not having any sort of counterplay to Iran's one big move (the blocking of the straight), in a nation of some of the brighest minds on the planet, speaks volumes of how advisors are clearly not being listened to. The powers of the once mighty Republic have seemingly been vested in the hands of a bunch of incompetent nepo babies.

protocolture 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

>in a nation of some of the brighest minds on the planet

Found the assumption that caused the issue.

Quarrelsome 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

Its not a false assumption. The world today is full of innovative products built with American capital and mostly American minds. If Americans want to do something then they have an rich pool of talent to do it well.

Sure on average, the population of the US is stupid, but that's true of everywhere.

babypuncher 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> a nation of some of the brighest minds on the planet

The brightest minds we had working in government have all quit or been fired in the last year.

shake_head_pig2 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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randomNumber7 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> in a nation of some of the brighest minds on the planet

You mean the people who voted for trump or those who voted for the democrats?

Are there some causal reasons you think americans are smarter than people in other countries?

Quarrelsome an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> You mean the people who voted for trump or those who voted for the democrats?

I'm not talking about plebs, I'm talking about people who know their shit and work at government level. We could just look at the invention of the past century and pluck out relevant events like the moon landing, electronic computer, transistor or ARPANET. Clearly there are smart people living in that nation. They have the talent to draw from to get good advice about stuff like: what Iran's first response might be to an aerial assault.

> Are there some causal reasons you think americans are smarter than people in other countries?

I never said that. I said America is home to SOME of the brightest minds in the world. That sentence does not apportion all the brightest minds to that nation. What you read is clearly something different from what I wrote. Do you have a chip on your shoulder?

randomNumber7 a minute ago | parent [-]

Your argument was that you could use your bright minds to win against the iranians. That implies they are brighter than the iranians.

I think america clearly had better opportunities for bright people in the past. Maybe some moved also there so the proportion is a little higher than in other places.

qup an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

IQ testing?

Inbreeding as a cultural norm?

Not smarter than the Japanese.

alpaca128 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> he was just going to bomb all their infrastructure

That's usually the idea ever since bombs were a thing. It just so happens that it's harder to actually pull off than to say it.

Quarrelsome an hour ago | parent [-]

and nor does it result in victory without the follow up of a ground assault.

I'm legit baffled by the US engaging in a war that suffers exactly the same negative properties as the Saudi's war in Yemen. You don't even have to learn from history, the Saudi/Yemeni conflict is still active today. Air campaigns alone are entirely insufficient, especially if your enemy has mountains.

RobotToaster an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are we just going to ignore the fact that targeting civilian infrastructure is yet another war crime?

free652 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That's dual use infrastructure. Its also used for military and goverment purposes, right? The same as China providing weapons components to Russia, masking them as "civilian".

kergonath 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

"The Russians did it as well" is not a fantastic excuse for a war crime… You might want to think this through a bit more.

chistev 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why should a president have this much power?

torginus 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not according to FIFA

SpicyLemonZest 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

We'll make Hegseth regret it deeply when the time comes for his trial, but right now I don't know that there's much to do about that fact.

nirav72 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

Many said the same thing during the G.W Bush years. Nothing happened.

jacquesm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Oh yeah, we can't do this to Russia because they have nukes

Why would the US want to bomb an ally?

kergonath 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> Trump is choosing to get it over with the easy way for America at least if they won't negotiate

That is… not the easy way. That’s how you get a nightmare for decades to come, endless waves of refugees and a limitless supply of terrorists.

Though, to be fair, there is no easy way of doing what Trump claims he wants to do. Which is why it’s spectacularly stupid to do it in the first place. I mean, they did not expect retaliation in the strait of Hormuz. Amateur hour does not even begin to describe it. Spectacularly stupid is probably way too kind.

If you must learn from the Khans, you’ll find that decapitation is not enough. You need people to put in place of the former leadership, and enforcers so that the underlying power structure stays in place to serve the new masters. The reason why is that, as the US learnt in Iraq and Afghanistan, it takes a bloody lot of soldiers to keep a whole population in check. Trump does not want to do the former and does not have the latter.