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giancarlostoro 2 days ago

You can be a capitalist without ruining your product.

account42 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Not a very good capitalist though and there will be others without that "limitation" you have to compete against.

philipov 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Capitalism means ownership by investors, and it is the investors who ruin your product.

recursive 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

From my naive point of view, it's not clear from first principles why they must.

philipov 2 days ago | parent [-]

It's a version of the principal-agent problem, with the added wrinkle that principals have low barriers to exit. Both the management and investors share the incentive structure of a con artist.

mindcrime 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Capitalism - in principle - doesn't even require that investors as such exist, much less that they own everything. That our current system has evolved into a pseudo-capitalist system which introduces all sorts of State created constructs (like corporations), and borrows elements from fascism, socialism, etc., doesn't mean that it must be this way.

account42 a day ago | parent [-]

It does mean that in practice - even in the name, capital is front and center.

monooso a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I believe capitalism is defined by private ownership (not necessarily by investors) of the means of production.

account42 a day ago | parent [-]

Cool, but how is this theoretical fact relevant to the real world.

jacquesm 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Investors don't run the company, they don't make product decisions on a day to day basis. They may demand growth and they may be able to fire the CEO if enough of them band together but that requires them to convince the board first (and if they can't then they may be able to fire some or even all of the board). Anyway, as long as none of that has happened I think this is an academic position at best.