My wife cares about me and won’t say “because Bob said I had to divorce you, you have to go”.

Any manager will let me go if their manager tells them to.

I’ve been part of organizational discussions. Every manager ive worked with has actively fought, and fought hard, to keep, promote, or get pay raises for their employees. They don’t just bend over and say “okay boss” if asked to cut people.

If you treat your managers like soulless entities and don’t build relationships with them, they’ll probably do the same to you. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

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raw_anon_1111 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Well in my 30 year career across 10 jobs - everything from startups to BigTech and now working full time at a consulting company, I’ve found line level managers to be absolutely useless - not soulless.

When I was being recruited as a strategic early hire, one of my requirements was that I must report to the CTO/director and not a line level toothless engineering manager.

Also, every meaningful raise I’ve gotten has only come when I was reporting to someone above a line level manager.

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apple4ever 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You've had bad luck. I get it. But good managers like myself exist.

	▲	raw_anon_1111 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It’s not “bad managers” - it’s “powerless managers”. If you are a line level manager, you don’t control budgets, company wide re-org decisions, or really anything that I care about - which is mainly “how much money do I get in exchange for my labor” and “do I need to come into an office?”. Those are all decisions above your head

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