> Stole? Courts have ruled it's transformative, and it very obviously is.

The courts have ruled that AI outputs are not copyrightable. The courts have also ruled that scraping by itself is not illegal, only maybe against a Terms of Service. Therefore, Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, etc. have no legal claim to any proprietary protections of their model outputs.

So we have two things that are true:

1) Anthropic (certainly) violated numerous TOS by scraping all of the internet, not just public content.

2) Scraping Anthropic's model outputs is no different than what Anthropic already did. Only a TOS violation.

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dpark an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> 2) Scraping Anthropic's model outputs is no different than what Anthropic already did. Only a TOS violation.

Regardless of whether LLM training amounts to theft, thieves are still allowed to put locks on their own doors.

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gruez an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

>The courts have ruled that AI outputs are not copyrightable.

"not copyrightable" doesn't imply they can't frustrate attempts to scrape data.

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petcat an hour ago | parent [-]

Nobody is saying they can't try to stop you themselves. That's where the Terms of Service violation part comes in. They can cancel your account, block your IP, etc. They just can't legally stop you by, for instance, compelling a judge to order you to stop.

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dpark 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

> They just can't legally stop you by, for instance, compelling a judge to order you to stop.

They probably can, actually. TOS are legally binding.

More likely they would block you rather than pursuing legal avenues but they certainly could.

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petcat 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

The Supreme Court already ruled on this. Scraping public data, or data that you are authorized to access, is not a violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

Now, if you try to get around attempts to block your access, then yes you could be in legal trouble. But that's not what is happening here. These are people/companies that have Claude accounts in good standing and are authorized by Anthropic to access the data.

Nobody is saying that Anthropic can't just block them though, and they are certainly trying.

	▲	dpark 9 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I didn’t say anything about the computer fraud and abuse act. TOS are legally binding contracts in their own right if implemented correctly.