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mike_hearn 2 days ago

FWIW, a lot of open source caused other people to lose their jobs too, all pre AI. So what goes around comes around. The Free Software movement was from day one built on cloning proprietary programs - UNIX was a commercial OS that AT&T sold, the early Linux desktop environments all looked exactly like a mashup of Windows 95 and commercial DEs, etc. Every commercial UNIX got wiped out except Apple, do you think that didn't lead to layoffs? Because it very much did. Nor did it ever really change. SystemD started out as "heavily inspired" by Launch Services. Wayland is basically the same ideas as SkyLight in macOS, etc.

And who was it who benefited from this stuff? A lot of the benefit went to "megacorps" who took the savings and banked the higher profits.

So I don't think open source, which for many years was unashamedly about just cloning designs that were funding other people's salaries, can really cry too much about LLMs. And I say that as someone who has written a lot of open source software, including working on Wine.

mghackerlady 2 days ago | parent [-]

Fwiw, AIX and to a far lesser extent Solaris still exist. I'm not exactly sure why people are using them (AIX I can maybe understand because "no one got fired for buying IBM" or whatever but there really isn't any excuse to be running Solaris nowadays since ZFS runs on Linux and and 2 of the BSD based systems and oracle seems desperate to let it die)

Maakuth 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Solaris lives on as Illumos. Wherever the Solaris developers go, they build on that. Currently they are on it at Oxide.

I'm sure Oracle milks commercial Solaris efficiently, but I imagine it's hard to find new customers for it.

pjmlp 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Solaris in SPARC is the only production UNIX with hardware memory tagging.

Something that some security conscious folks care about.

mghackerlady 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Does OpenBSD not do that? That feels like something OpenBSD could do, given their near paranoid level of exploit reduction and theos hardon for SPARC

pjmlp 2 days ago | parent [-]

Maybe, why use it on Oracle's hardware?

By the way Linux does it, but then again Oracle has its own distro.

mghackerlady 2 days ago | parent [-]

So wait, sparc solaris is the only production unix with hardware memory tagging but also linux has it? Are we talking strict SUS compliant systems (current or former because for some reason solaris is no longer listed as such despite ostensibly still being compliant unless the SRUs have seriously FUBARed some things) or unices in general? because I'd argue anyone running SUS compliant systems out of anything other than their choice happening to be compliant is arguably even more niche than running AIX or Solaris for anything else

pjmlp 2 days ago | parent [-]

We are talking about SPARC ADI, still sold by Oracle and Fujistsu.

https://www.oracle.com/servers/sparc

Linux while not being UNIX, does support it as Oracle upstreamed SPARC ADI support during the brief time they had Oracle Linux support for SPARC.

https://docs.kernel.org/arch/sparc/adi.html

Now why someone would use unsupported OpenBSD on SPARC for the kinds of clients that pay for this stuff, beats me.

Assuming it does even support SPARC ADI.

mghackerlady a day ago | parent [-]

Ohh ok I see.

Why would someone use unsupported OpenBSD on SPARC for the clients that pay for it? Probably the same reason so many servers run on Rocky or Alma instead of RHEL, money. Perhaps they bought the hardware without the support contract for Solaris, or they don't want to keep paying for it

hollerith 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Apple's latest CPUs, the M5 and the A19, have memory tagging.

Probably impractical for most server workloads (so not an alternative to Solaris on SPARC) but worth mentioning.

sharts a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Companies buy AIX, etc. probably due to support, uptime, reliability guarantees. When things go south, who can you sue with OSS?