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small_model 2 hours ago

Given parrots can talk, there must be a neuron count that activates language (assuming anatomy allows it), similar to LLM parameter count.

jayers 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That seems like an unfounded inference. Plenty of animals have more neurons than humans but lesser cognitive and language abilities. Language has lot to do with structure of the brain in addition to neuron count.

pegasus 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

One thing I've learned by following a link from elsewhere in this thread is that while the total count of neurons in an animal's nervous system is not a good proxy for intelligence, the count of neurons in the forebrain is. By that measure, only the orca ranks higher than humans [1].

That doesn't mean language ability is a natural outcome of crossing a certain threshold of brain complexity; if anything it's more likely the other way around: this complexity being be driven by highly social behavior and communication.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_n...

vablings 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-025-02855-9

Birds have areas of the brain that we would consider language alike. Both for native bird communication and I would also speculate that for human to bird communication.

If you have ever owned a parrot this is blatantly obvious since they actively communicate and vocalize both observations and needs/desires

lukan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Where do you get the conclusion from, that there is a "must"? There can be lot's of neurons ... but dedicated to other purposes.

Philip-J-Fry 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Parrots can't "talk". They just mimick noises they've heard before

deelowe 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This reminds me of being told dogs don't feel emotions by someone who never owned one. Parrots most definitely can talk. Their language is extremely primitive but if you've ever been around a grey and it's owner for some time, they definitely talk to each other. The parrot will readily communicate observations and desires.

vablings an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_(parrot)

Common misconception. Parrots are much more than just mimicry machines. There is also Apollo the parrot that shows this in detail and following from Irene's research with Alex

unzadunza an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Isn't that what humans do too? We mimic noises we've heard before and we associate meaning to the noises. Parrots can do that. Our quaker parrot would bite you, then say 'not supposed to bite'. He clearly associated some kind of meaning to that phrase.

onlyrealcuzzo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many animals can communicate.

Parrots can't speak fluent English, which shouldn't be surprising. Last I checked, no human is fluent in Parrot or Dolphin.

Though, at least one parrot may have demonstrated an ability to understand language at more than a surface level.

PurpleRamen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Bumblebee (the Transformer) might have an objection here. Purposeful mimicry can be used for talking on certain complexity. It does not have to be human-level to be communication.

throwway120385 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is also what toddlers do until bit by bit they're repeating everything you say back to you in context.

small_model 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So do we, otherwise we would all speak our own individual language.

tobr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So what you’re saying is that parrots are stochastic parrots.

rossjudson 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You've just described most of the information economy.

SoftTalker an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This thread is going to end with Monty Python jokes.

ofrzeta an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Like Starlings do.

mock-possum an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, isn’t that just what you’re doing too? If you see a cow, and you’ve been taught that ‘cow’ is the sound that describes a cow, don’t you say “cow?”

tokai 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lots of birds can talk, not only the very clever ones like parrots and covids. Its mimicry and that generally doesn't seem to take many neurons.

dboreham 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Plausible, and likely similar.

fredgrott 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

mimicking is not talking....

Its part of their calling social members wiring....

DetroitThrow 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Given parrots eat their own poop (https://lafeber.com/pet-birds/questions/parrots-eating-poop/), there must be a neuron count/density that activates self-poop eating (assuming anatomy allows it), similar to LLM parameter count.

SoftTalker an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Dogs do that too.

IAmBroom an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

My dogs eat poop, and therefore are also like LLMs.

Your hypothesis has therefore been peer-reviewed.