> 10x more productive

That claim is totally worthless without you providing concrete information how you measured that.

And that's my point about value. That engineers can spit out far more code, or that they don't have to think much is surely precious convenience.

Value add so far lacks evidence.

Layoffs. It justifies them to the public. I'm not certain it grants them as it contradicts a principle of enterprise: scale, as much as you possibly can.

If tokens provided value today, we would be hiring more engineers to review their output and put things together.

I literally wrote how I measure this in the post you are replying to: #commits which is admittedly a worthless proxy for productivity, so, more importantly, number of finished production-ready features delivered.

That number is at least tenfold of what it was before, simply because I can run a lot of gruntwork in parallel now without wasting brainpower and focus on that stuff.