IMO much of the "no reasonable expectation" stuff is simply wrong, or treats things as an unreasonable binary.

For example, there's no reasonable expectation that singing to myself in public won't be recorded.

But almost everyone in public does reasonably-assume that their every step isn't being permanently logged by a stalking drone swarm.

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verandaguy 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Right, that's actually a fair framing. I get to enjoy a walking commute in my city, and or the most part, I feel very anonymous on my walk into the office.

Blending into rush hour foot traffic is easy, and I never feel like I stand out enough to attract attention... though in the back of my head, I know that most commercial and government properties have some form of video surveillance, probably backed by some kind of (hopefully coarse) AI subject tagging.

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j-bos 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That genie's out of the bottle, couple cheap cameras with cheap AI recognition and tracking, and every network getting pwned by somebody the result is, public spaces become obscenely public. The worst is private spaces, like when a technician or tradesman comes to one's house to do work wearing smart glasses. If they're Rx, what do you do? Refuse service? live with the broken pipe/modem?

No opinion on the decision from OP's post, just noting that, privacy is getting 86'd six ways to Sunday. All that's left are truly owned homes and natural spaces, and Orwell laid the pattern for both.

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Terr_ 3 days ago | parent [-]

> That genie's out of the bottle [...] public spaces become obscenely public

A bit "meta" here, but this was never about surrendering to advancing capability, humans have been capable of eavesdropping ever since eaves were invented, people could bring hidden microphones and cameras in "private" spaces for decades, etc.

The "reasonable expectation" doesn't come from our fears of the worst, or else it would be meaninglessly permissive. Rather, it's an attempt to judge individual situations based on some kind of collective agreement about normality. Just because we can't preemptively block something doesn't mean it cannot be a crime.

In other words, we (should) have a lot more power to decide what they become than that. Supposing--and I'm not endorsing this--anyone caught recording in public typically gets their stuff smashed by an angry mob, then the "reasonable expectation" is that you're not being recorded.

	▲	j-bos 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Thanks for the nuance. I guess my issue is that pervasive recording has already been normalized, db hacks are effectively normalized (if illegal) so the public spaces are super public, as of yesterday not tomorrow.