| ▲ | hnfong 2 days ago |
| > It’s time to accept regulation actually does work when you have a competent government. Given that it's the EU making those regulations, it looks like the government only has to be semi-competent. Maybe the only requirement is that they're not totally in bed with the big corps making money. |
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| ▲ | Xixi 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I wonder to what extent in this instance it is driven by the EU regulating (mostly) foreign companies rather than (mostly) domestic ones. Said differently, it is much easier for the EU to be impartial and competent when regulating Apple or Samsung than when regulating Volkswagen or Stellantis... |
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| ▲ | PunchyHamster 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Well if you have seen how EU regulates domestic companies you would not wonder about that. There is no mercy. US companies just hit that barrier more often historically because they got used to "lobby it and it goes away" attitude to law, and when it doesn't work we have harpy screeeching about EU using laws to tax US companies that do not want to abide to law in place where they are doing business | |
| ▲ | swiftcoder 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > it is much easier for the EU to be impartial and competent when regulating Apple or Samsung than when regulating Volkswagen or Stellantis They are still regulating the auto manufacturers pretty harshly, and without any particular favouritism, even though that is letting foreign players like BYD eat the lunch of the domestic manufacturers (who mostly seem to have bet the farm on a US-led return to fossil fuel dominance) |
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| ▲ | egeozcan 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Given that it's the EU making those regulations, it looks like the government only has to be semi-competent Context: I'm not a EU-native, I've migrated to here. It disturbs me a lot when people keep repeating the "incompetent government" narrative when it comes to the EU, but when you compare it to the dictatorship that I escaped from, they still seem way more competent, surprising when the big advantage of a dictatorship is supposed to be increased efficiency while reducing personal rights. Personally I cannot name a better government (or governing body, given that we are talking about the whole EU) anywhere else on this planet. I feel I'm incredibly lucky to live here even when the economy is getting tougher. The only thing that worries me and makes me consider leaving is the right-extremes, which to this day, thankfully had limited influence. Sorry for the digression, but I just wanted to address this repeating pattern. It's possible that you have very valid reasons to call them semi-competent and that I'm overreacting. |
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| ▲ | hnfong 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Nah it was kinda a tongue in cheek snipe at the EU which may or may not be justified. Appreciate the counter-point. | | |
| ▲ | egeozcan 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Oh, okay. Sorry for the wall of text against the small snipe :) It's just that these things stick. | | |
| ▲ | dxdm 2 days ago | parent [-] | | No, thank you for posting it. Things like this need to be said. |
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| ▲ | wolvoleo 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Even here in Europe, most of Southern Europe was a bunch of Dictatorships up into the late 70s! Spain, Portugal, Greece... Not to mention Eastern Europe until the wall fell. All dictatorships in different forms. So yeah we've had our share as well. The problem with the EU is that it seems to be becoming more susceptible to industry lobbying. As of late they are reducing environmental laws (the banning of ICE cars), weakening GDPR and DMA/DSA etc. Not very happy with that. Ursula herself was all about her 'green deal' during her first administration and now she's breaking it all down. | | |
| ▲ | PunchyHamster 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | >As of late they are reducing environmental laws (the banning of ICE cars) I think that particular one is because they realized their timeline is impossible to hit without utterly crippling EU > weakening GDPR and DMA/DSA There was always a lot of push for that, it is very much "yes/try later" on those legislations, we got the biggest traitor of the freedom out (UK) but there are still countries either interested, or incompetent enough to think the pushed ideas are a good thing | |
| ▲ | catlikesshrimp 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I hope you don't live to see the return of dictatorships in Europe. And I don't mean Hungary. https://jacobin.com/2025/05/ve-day-wwii-fascism-liberalism There's a storm coming. | | |
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| ▲ | throw_a_grenade 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's a bit of hit and miss, really. Like every big organisation, it's not a single, coherent entity, but has branches and departments filled by real, flawed people, so in practice it depends on which industry your're in. For example, digital policy bureaucrats are usually extremely competent, like, they do know how the stuff discussed here on HN works. (That they often have differen expectations from what people here want is orthogonal). Automotive industry is on the other hand squarely in bed with manufacturers (cars, but also accessories like child safety chairs). The average is suprisingly good, esp. in comparison with national bureaucracies. | |
| ▲ | nandomrumber 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | You’re worried about the Right-ists. When it has been the Left that has largely governed Europe for the previous few decades to bring it to the point where it is now where the economics and defence capabilities of nations that once ruled the world are now laughing stock on the global stage. | | |
| ▲ | sokoloff 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Way back in the times of sailing ships with cannons? Absolutely Europe ruled the world economically and militarily. | |
| ▲ | egeozcan 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > nations that once ruled the world are now laughing stock on the global stage ...and yet it gets repeated! I'm not worried about the right ideology. Last time I took a political test, it told me I'm slightly right-leaning, but that changes every time I take such tests :) I said that I'm disturbed by the extremists who plan to take away my legally earned rights. European countries have rules and requirements like most other countries. I looked at their criteria, it sounded fair, took the deal and now I'm here. I pay my taxes, obey the rules, even applied for citizenship (takes ages), and I expect my rights to be protected as well, as long as keep my end of the deal. Those people threaten that golden rule. Some seem to be obsessed about ruling and military power, and from the outside, they seem to believe that you only are allowed to move in this world if you kill/defeat the previous residents. Those are the people I'm scared of. |
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