> If you want a repairable machine, buy one.... Framework

Sure, but Framework doesn't run the OS I want, doesn't run the chip I want, doesn't quite meet the form factor I want. It's not an effective market because I can't pick and choose.

The problem here is vertical integration. If you want anything from Apple you have to buy everything from Apple.

And the answer to that is: regulation.

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Esophagus4 2 days ago | parent [-]

Being an effective market doesn’t mean you get everything you want.

You’re actually saying: “I want Apple’s software, and I want certain chips, and I want a certain form factor. And if Apple won’t build what I want, I will pass a law to make them build it for me!”

Come on man. You will make tradeoffs either way. The answer isn’t: force a company to build what I want them to build.

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danpalmer 2 days ago | parent [-]

Well another version of it is: I want to be able to talk to my family, but I don't want to buy an iPhone. The EU rightly regulated that any chat network big enough must open their doors to different platforms. Or I don't want to buy Microsoft Office for my employees but I want to be able to do business with those who do, and thankfully we have relatively open document formats now.

The chips argument is contrived, the OS argument less so, but it's all just network effects at some level, and it's important for competition and effective markets that we prevent the largest networks from locking people in and forcing them to make a lot of other unrelated decisions.

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hypeatei 2 days ago | parent [-]

> I want to be able to talk to my family, but I don't want to buy an iPhone

How were you not able to do this without an iPhone?

	▲	danpalmer a day ago \| parent [-]
		iMessage being a closed ecosystem. Apple finally added RCS support, but only after regulatory pressure. To not recognise this as a limitation is to be wilfully blind to network effects. The "green bubbles" issue was a huge issue in the US. Similarly, WhatsApp not being open is a huge problem in forcing people onto Meta's platforms.