internet2000 3 days ago

> It seems like the Macbook Neo has a lot of those properties as well for a very inexpensive device that is extremely easy to repair.

It's slightly worse, slightly more flex, thicker and heavier vs an Air in spite of having a smaller battery and more empty space. It's all trade offs.

If you want repairable, please buy a Framework or Lenovo. Backseat industrial designing through legislation is not the answer.

▲ wvenable 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Backseat industrial designing through legislation is not the answer.

Again, why not? It's not mandating design, just minimal standards for repairability that should be obvious. If Framework and Lenovo can do it and Apple can do it on a $600 laptop, why can't everyone do it?

	▲	leetbulb 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Agreed. > why can't everyone do it What everyone is missing: Because other manufactures do not have to; the profit margins are too good to give a shit, and they allow some pretty fierce competition within the target demographic: <soapbox> Sadly, the general public still just wants the cheapest option to consume their bullshit content, even if it needs to be replaced a year from now after their cat walks on it and causes critical damage. The MacBook Neo is brilliant in that Apple takes a share of this market with a premium and affordable product that is basically just their previous generation phone, with the expensive bits likely sourced from their exchange program or surplus supply. Products that at some point the same people would've loved to have, but couldn't afford. Now repurposed with a larger screen, sporting the envied Apple logo, at an affordable price, and targeting that same demographic as the hot new thing, just one generation later. I have a feeling we'll see this pattern continue, and it's genius. Minimizing waste, maximizing profits, and giving the consumers what they want, while maintaining a gap between low-end and high-end -- people that spend $$$$ still want to feel special, of course. Don't get me wrong, the Neo is great, especially for us hackers, but it is absolutely not meant for us in any way. What is in our favor: it does, at the very least, raise the bar for these other manufactures that product absolute garbage. </soapbox> Someone needs to be a reference as to what is feasible in order for a standard to be established. Apple, Framework, and I guess Lenovo are the ones doing this these days. RIP the others.

▲ lelanthran 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Backseat industrial designing through legislation is not the answer.

???

What makes this "backseat"? When it comes to consumer products, legislation is often the only answer in most cases.

What makes this case different? Why should there be an exception carved out for laptops?

▲ cpt_sobel 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Backseat industrial designing through legislation is not the answer.

But it _could_ save us from Lenovo or Dell or any other company copying Apple's design practices (and the latter largely already has), while, as another poster mentioned, not mandating design per se, but rather just setting minimum standards.

▲ PunchyHamster 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Backseat industrial designing through legislation is not the answer.

You can still legislate parts availability and availability of docs.

You can legislate parts pairing or outright ban it

There is plenty that can be done, just need competent lawmakers

▲ free_bip 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh no, my laptop is 2mm thicker than a different laptop. Won't someone think of the 2mm?

▲ VogonPoetry 3 days ago | parent [-]

That 2mm uses at least (2*335 + 2*235) * 2mm * 1mm = 2,280 mm^3 more material for the case. (a wall thickness of 1mm)

▲ stavros 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I don't understand your math. The 1mm (the wall) was there already, so why is it being counted here? Plus, multiplying by 1 doesn't do anything? Also, the 2mm extra won't be solid plastic (they'll be solid air, since that's why we're adding the extra thickness, for the room.

If anything, the extra material for the case would be the perimeter length times the perimeter wall width times the height.

▲ Arcuru 2 days ago | parent [-]

> If anything, the extra material for the case would be the perimeter length times the perimeter wall width times the height

That's what they did?

Perimeter length = 2*335mm + 2*235mm

Wall height diff = 2mm

Wall width = 1mm

(2*335 + 2*235) * 2mm * 1mm = 2,280 mm^3

▲ stavros 2 days ago | parent [-]

Ah, thanks, I think what happened was that the asterisks were turned into italics and confused me. I think the message was edited to clarify.

▲ VogonPoetry 2 days ago | parent [-]

The post was fixed about 30 seconds after making it - due to the *s being interpreted as italics. It is a shame there isn't a preview button when composing posts.

▲ shagie 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> It is a shame there isn't a preview button when composing posts.

The delay setting in your profile (mine is set to 2).

New Feature: Delay - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=231024

    There's a new field in your profile called delay. It's the time delay in minutes between when you create a comment and when it becomes visible to other people. I added this so that when there are rss feeds for comments, users can, if they want, have some time to edit them before they go out in the feed. Many users edit comments after posting them, so it would be bad if the first draft always got shipped.

    Delay is initially 0. The maximum effective value is 10. It only applies to comments.

	▲	VogonPoetry a day ago \| parent [-]
		This is fantastic info, thank you. I've now set mine to 5.

▲ stavros 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Or just more sane markdown handling :/

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FabHK 2 days ago | parent [-]

I've started multiplying with "x" here... 10 mm x 10 mm = 100 mm^2.

	▲	catlikesshrimp 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Although there is a "clear" way of representing the functions, I have come to think it might not be as clear to many people. For instance (3m+5m)(2m)/(2(2))=5m^3

▲ PunchyHamster 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

and less broken devices hitting landfill

	▲	fuzzfactor 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		That may not even be where the devices are most toxic to the environment :\ How about all the energy waste for manufacture of what are "engineered" as effectively disposable components & assemblies in numerous facilities? Also scattered local emissions, not only at the factories and delivery ships & trucks, but consumers kick up all kinds of exhaust and waste just earning the money to participate in such a scheme. And way more so for short-lived products that are the least bit overpriced compared to how they could be from the same factory.