Competition kills margins (profits, security, QoL), so the budget for eradication should be quite high, but generally speaking the idea is to destroy even fledgling upstarts, back when the cost is low.

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lstodd 4 hours ago | parent [-]

And the idea does not make sense once you include intel being incomplete into the equation: what if the preemptive strike will not attain complete eradication?

You might or might not fatally cripple the opponent, but retaliation can do that too and you cannot be sure that it won't. It's MAD all over again.

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0x3f 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Well if they're only an upstart, they don't have the ability to destroy you _yet_. You 'nuke' them in the hope they won't get that ability. You're aiming to stop MAD from being a thing.

In those terms, the US should have been nuking and dominating everyone, and the idea was floated after WW2, but I believe they were precluded by practical limitations.

If they had developed the tech outside of wartime, and built up a stockpile, maybe that is indeed what would have happened and we'd have a one-world government already.

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middayc 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The dynamics at least with the space dark forest is different than when we live on the same planet. It has to do with lack/slow communication over vast space (that you can't trust anyway).

It relied on two principles "the chain of suspicion" and "technological explosion", which don't hold true if we are on the same planet. You can google it (or llm it) :)

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lstodd 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Point is you cannot know if they are an upstart (whatever upstart means). It can be misinterpretation, it can be camoflage, it can be anything. But once you rain death you're better be prepared to be grateful for what you are about to receive back.

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0x3f 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Depends on the context. We certainly knew nobody else had nukes.

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lstodd 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That.. was the case for all of four years. And forgive me if I doubt certainity.

	▲	0x3f 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Four years is plenty of time to start launching. Also, MAD incentivizes disclosure. What would be the point of having secret nukes? Openly having them is the only way to stop the US using its nukes to stop your nuke program, in this scenario.