| ▲ | Sky Wins Irish Court Order to Unmask 300 Pirate IPTV Users via Revolut Bank(torrentfreak.com) |
| 46 points by nixass 4 hours ago | 15 comments |
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| ▲ | silisili 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I'm pretty uneasy about legal action against the subscribers themselves. If you can prove intent, maybe? But I'd argue many or even most don't realize they're doing anything illegal. These IPTV companies, in my experience, never advertise that it's illegal. It's just give us money for a lot of TV channels, just like a cable company does. |
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| ▲ | hn_throwaway_99 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'm not familiar with how these IPTV companies market their services, but I'm extremely skeptical of the notion that people don't realize they're buying something illegal when they're paying a small percentage of what the services themselves would cost. It's like those folks that sold bootleg DVDs out of their trenchcoats in Manhattan - the defense of "gosh, I never knew buying a just-released-in-theaters Hollywood blockbuster for $5 by some dude on the side of Broadway was illegal" was never going to fly. | | |
| ▲ | xtracto a minute ago | parent | next [-] | | More like buying the hacked DirecTV Sim cards. | |
| ▲ | echoangle 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It's like those folks that sold bootleg DVDs out of their trenchcoats in Manhattan - the defense of "gosh, I never knew buying a just-released-in-theaters Hollywood blockbuster for $5 by some dude on the side of Broadway was illegal" was never going to fly. Is buying bootleg DVDs actually illegal? Isn’t the thing protected by copyright distribution? The seller is doing the distribution, I’m only buying it so it’s fine, no? |
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| ▲ | pjc50 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Huh, Ireland has copied English law so precisely that it also has Norwich Pharmacal and Anton Pillar orders? (De anonymozation of third parties and non-crime search warrants respectively) |
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| ▲ | pjriot 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I guess that the legal framework that enables the orders was inherited by the Irish state. (according to wikipedia the orders can be made in Canada and Australia too) |
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| ▲ | Asooka 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Good. The internet is meant to uplift human society, not enable petty theft. If only they could have gone after each thief to take back the money they stole. |
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| ▲ | RiverCrochet an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Non-sequitur. The Internet only enables the copying of bits and not their theft, as the original bits aren't removed from their source. A remote-copy-and-delete might be considered a theft, but Bittorrent has no delete provisions and that's not really inherent to the infrastructure of the Internet per se (e.g. your network card can't physically make bits on the other side in storage disappear). | | |
| ▲ | orbisvicis an hour ago | parent [-] | | For example: Good. The internet is meant to uplift human society, not enable petty theft. If only they could have gone after each thief to take back the money they stole. - signed, not-Asooka | | |
| ▲ | JadeNB an hour ago | parent [-] | | There's a difference between "I am the creator of this content [that I actually didn't create]" and "I am enjoying this content that I did not create." One could argue that it matters, in the latter case, whether you are enjoying the content in a manner with the creator's intention of how you enjoyed it, but, to state one among many possible responses, it is far from clear when I consume media through approved channels that that accurately represents how the creator would prefer I enjoy it. |
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| ▲ | orbisvicis an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's why I don't feel bad pirating textbooks. | |
| ▲ | KumaBear an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Buddy we’d still be listening to cds if pirating didn’t exist. | |
| ▲ | tene80i an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | You’ll find that a pretty unpopular attitude around here (hence the downvoting on your comment, and I assume mine shortly), but you are right. | | |
| ▲ | echoangle 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It’s unpopular because it’s a bad argument. It’s not theft because you don’t take anything away. You just create a copy and don’t pay for it, but that’s not theft. | | |
| ▲ | hrimfaxi a minute ago | parent [-] | | It might not be theft but it's not nothing either. Manslaughter isn't murder but someone still died. Copying might not be theft but you're still taking something you didn't pay for. |
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