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amiga-workbench 2 days ago

There's almost certainly less than 69KB of useful human-readable information on any given page.

tombert 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I was actually a bit curious how much HN uses, since it's probably the lightest site that I frequent.

According to Brave's dev tools, looks like just shy of about 90kb on this comment page as of the time of this writing.

Obviously some of that is going to be CSS rules, a small amount of JS (I think for the upvotes and the comment-collapse), but I don't think anyone here called HN "bloated". Even that one page wouldn't fit on Voyager.

basilikum 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

  curl https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47564421#47564679 | wc -c
143927

  curl https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47564421#47564679 | pup -p --charset utf8 'text{}' | wc -c
30954
tombert a day ago | parent | next [-]

Huh, fair enough. I was looking at the network console in the browser and it said 89KB.

Almost certainly my fault...sorry!

basilikum a day ago | parent [-]

Our comments don't really contradict each other. The page size without any linked documents like an external style sheet grew to 140KB after your comment. But just the text is 30KB.

winnie_ua a day ago | parent | prev [-]

That's only HTML but when it is loaded in chromr it is more than 40 MiB.

rkagerer 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is more information in a typical, single page of comments here than there is on the average webpage. And I'd say a far higher signal to noise ratio (though depending on the topic discussed some will disagree).

halapro 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Downloaded data != memory usage

You're comparing apples to apple trees

ksymph a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This page is only ~30kb. I wonder where the extra ~60kb you're seeing is coming from?

reaperducer 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I was actually a bit curious how much HN uses, since it's probably the lightest site that I frequent.

I use an iPhone 5 as an iPod. HN is one of the few web sites that still works with iOS 10.

1718627440 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

HN used to work fine on an Nokia classic phone until last year. Sadly it doesn't any more, since they switched the CA to something that is not in the OS root trust. If HN wouldn't enforce HTTPS, it would still work fine.

qingcharles a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The SSL certs are probably going to be a problem before HN changes its rendering.

jprd 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Nice. Do you just use your 5 as a stationary iPod, or do you dual-carry with a modern device as well? Curious on if you also use it to wi-fi the web on your local LAN periodically too, of it that was just a periodic test to check if HN worked.

reaperducer 2 days ago | parent [-]

I use it around the house to Airplay music to various devices.

A number of things don't work, or work in unexpected ways, mostly because Apple doesn't allow me to log in to iCloud with such an old phone.

I can't control lights with the Home app. But Airplay works fine. The phone doesn't know what a HomePod is, but it shows up with a regular generic speaker icon, like the AirMac I have hooked up to my stereo.

Sometimes I have a few minutes to kill, and I pick it up to look at HN. The New York Times web site starts to work, but the login page doesn't load at all. WSJ blocks me at a "verifying the device" screen. WaPo half works. eBay works some, but no pictures. Ditto for Wikipedia.

There's a lot of things you take for granted on a new phone that you only realize when you're using an old phone. Like you didn't used to be able to quickly scroll an entire web page it's only a screen at a time in iOS 10. You can't grab the scroll bar on the side and move it, either.

And 99.9999% of people don't realize the genius of the camera island. It makes it so much easier to pick up the phone if one end is elevated a bit. With a completely flat phone, you end up dragging/scraping it along the table in order to grip it, which scuffs the surface. And if the table is really smooth, it's surprisingly difficult to lift the phone straight up.

mghackerlady 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Why can't you log into iCloud? unless somethings changed in the past year or something broke between ios 6 and 10, it should work. I'm still signed into my iPad 2 running iOS 6 (granted, iirc the root cert expired a bit ago so you need to update that). the 2fa is also a bit weird, you have to input the code after your password (eg: if your password is password123 and the code is 789 you'd submit password123789)

reaperducer 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Why can't you log into iCloud?

Ask Apple.

I just tried it again.

"Can't Use Your Apple ID on This Device

Your Apple ID can only be used on devices running iOS 15.0 or later, or macOS 12.0 or later. This iPhone can't be updated to the latest software."

mghackerlady 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I think that might be a thing with apples Advanced Data Protection if you have it enabled, which is understandable since the software needs to know how to un-encrypt the data. If you don't have that enabled, then ignore this and assume apple decided to kill a whole lot of devices (particularly their macs, I know a surprising amount of people still on 10.15)

greenavocado 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

640K is all anybody actually needs

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18120477