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deaux 2 days ago

Sure, Europe should absolutely be saying no to Palantir.

However

> A powerful company enables genocide in Gaza, helps ICE separate families, and fuels Trump’s war with Iran

So does Google, so does Meta, so does Oracle. What do you think all that Palantir software runs on in the clouds? On Palantir's own huge datacenters? They don'thave those. The huge bulk of it runs on it on clouds provided my Microsoft, Amazon, Google.

Meta in particular causes such ridiculously larger amounts of societal damage that focusing so much energy on Palantir specifically is a dead giveaway it's not really about harm caused, it's about optics. Because they themselves likely use WhatsApp and Instagram, yet they don't knowingly use Palantir products.

If you're going to single out one US tech company as "we need to stop cooperating with them", I don't see how it can be any other than Meta. It's like telling someone morbidly obese to stop eating a single cookie per day rather than the 5 cheese pizzas they're also having. Maybe the cookie is slightly worse per gram, but it's also completely ineffective to focus on.

lovelearning a day ago | parent | next [-]

Your comment mistakenly assumes this is the only campaign around. But this is just one among many initiatives and websites. There are campaigns against other US big tech companies on this site itself:

- https://action.wemove.eu/sign/2026-01-omnibus-tech-petition-...

- https://action.wemove.eu/sign/2025-11-dpc-ireland-petition-E...

- https://action.wemove.eu/sign/2025-05-breakupbigtech-petitio...

- https://action.wemove.eu/sign/2025-01-elon-musk-dsa-petition...

- https://action.wemove.eu/sign/2024-12-Amazon-workers-petitio...

- https://action.wemove.eu/sign/2021-11-stop-big-tech-petition...

Mordisquitos 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Indeed. It is very disappointing that they chose that as the opening paragraph of their "Why" section, without even making the attempt to relate those points as to why Palantir in Europe would be bad for European citizens.

As someone who strongly supports European digital sovereignty and eliminating dependency on the US, I'm frankly very tired of so damn much of the activist discourse around these issues revolving around US-centred topics. Yes, sure, Gaza is not the US, and the US-Israel war with Iran is bad for Europe, but those are damn well not the reasons we should say no to Palantir.

If the Israel-Gaza conflict hadn't reignited a couple of years ago and thus Gaza wasn't on everybody's minds, and if the Iran attacks hadn't (yet) happened, should we then have nothing to say as to why we don't want Palantir than it's provision of services for internal US immigration policies? Maybe I should be grateful they haven't also listed Palantir being involved in period-tracking of American women in the wake of the reversal of Roe-vs-Wade.

Jesus Christ, won't the most vocal pro-European activists please stop making everything about US talking points, and start being able to take a stance from basic principles and our own interests?

onetimeusename a day ago | parent | next [-]

I suspect that if Palantir had the same exact business model but the CEO had supported Kamala Harris, this campaign would not exist. Or if Palantir had said it supported targeting "fascists" the same people denouncing it would be supporters. So if you're actually serious about sovereignty it probably needs a whole campaign around that cause.

snarf_br a day ago | parent [-]

Nonsense

scorpionfeet 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

One at a time. Just because you can’t stop all crime doesn’t mean you don’t try to stop any crime. What is it with HN bros and their love of fallicies?

Mordisquitos 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

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MrScruff 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Calling everyone you disagree with a 'bro' doesn't make your point any more convincing.

scorpionfeet 2 days ago | parent [-]

Chill bro it’s just a joke. Sensitive.

rvz 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> If you're going to single out one US tech company as "we need to stop cooperating with them", I don't see how it can be any other than Meta.

Meta's products also profited off of the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar. [0]

The lawsuit won't do anything, the employees at Meta are happy with all of that and Meta does not care.

Anyone would have to be morally bankrupt to work at any of those companies and then knowingly put ex-$COMPANY in their bio as a badge to show they helped contribute to a genocide instead of stopping it.

So as long as Meta paid them, no-one cares.

[0] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/amnesty-report-finds-face...

deaux a day ago | parent [-]

> The lawsuit won't do anything, the employees at Meta are happy with all of that and Meta does not care.

Correct, which is why my comment gets downvoted and these posts get mass upvotes and comments: it makes the legions of (ex-)FAANG HNers feel better about themselves.

g-b-r 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The owners of the other companies are at least not as openly opposed to democracy, though.

Meta sure causes more damage right now, but banning Palantir, which wouldn't even cause big problems, is an absolute no-brainer

deaux a day ago | parent | next [-]

Being "open" about it or not doesn't matter. In a sense it's even worse if they're less upfront about it.

Larry Elisson, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg are cut from the exact same cloth. It's beyond doubt.

g-b-r 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Hmm well except Oracle's owner..