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cogman10 7 hours ago

Funnily, I believe the glove mandates for food prep are actually anti-hygiene.

Unlike bare skin, you can't really feel when your gloves are contaminated. So you are less likely to replace gloves when you should. With bare hands, you can feel the raw chicken juices on you, so it's pretty natural to want to wash your hands right after handling the raw chicken.

Gloves are important in medicine, but that's with proper use where doctors and nurses put on new gloves for every patient. That doesn't always happen.

crazygringo 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> So you are less likely to replace gloves when you should.

To the contrary. You take off and throw out your gloves every time you finish doing something with raw meat. It's procedure. It's habit.

You're never relying on "feel" to determine whether there are "raw chicken juices on you". Using "feel" is not reliable.

I don't know why you think food service workers aren't constantly putting on new gloves, but doctors and nurses are. Like, if you're cutting up chicken for an hour you're not, but if you're moving from chicken to veggies you absolutely are.

0xffff2 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I don't know why you think food service workers aren't constantly putting on new gloves, but doctors and nurses are. Like, if you're cutting up chicken for an hour you're not, but if you're moving from chicken to veggies you absolutely are.

I think that because I was a food service worker and it's impossible to change gloves during a rush. Nitrile gloves and sweaty hands simply do not mix. There are also many more forms of cross contamination than just raw meat to cooked food.

Eisenstein 3 hours ago | parent [-]

If you don't have time to change gloves how do you have time to wash your hands?

ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's much quicker to wash your hands.

Gloves require your hands to be perfectly dry to put on effectively.

crazygringo an hour ago | parent [-]

I don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

You can dry your hands on a towel in seconds. I don't know what you mean by "perfectly dry"...? Like, nobody needs to blow-dry their hands before putting gloves on or anything.

ceejayoz 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

I do a medical procedure several times a week that requires gloves.

If you don't flap your hands around for 30+ seconds, any remaining moisture from handwashing (or sweat) makes them stick to your skin and you wind up fighting them (and about half the time, ripping a hole). A towel is not enough.

ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I don't know why you think food service workers aren't constantly putting on new gloves...

I've seen enough absent-minded nose wipes on the back of gloves at Chipotle-style establishments to be pretty OK with this take.

And that's where people are watching.

crazygringo an hour ago | parent [-]

Yeah, but then something tells me they wouldn't be washing their hands instead. Which is the comparison being made.

energy123 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many food service workers don't use gloves and don't wash their hands after going to the toilet, from what I have observed.

cogman10 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> To the contrary. You take off and throw out your gloves every time you finish doing something with raw meat. It's procedure. It's habit.

You are supposed to. I've seen plenty of fast food places where the gloves stay on between jobs.

I'm sure there are upscale places that are better on this point.

> You're never relying on "feel" to determine whether there are "raw chicken juices on you". Using "feel" is not reliable.

If you were just working with raw chicken, that slimy feeling on your skin is a pretty good motivator for most people to immediately wash their hands. It's more than just procedure or habit, your hands feel dirty and you want to wash that off.

> I don't know why you think food service workers aren't constantly putting on new gloves, but doctors and nurses are. Like, if you're cutting up chicken for an hour you're not, but if you're moving from chicken to veggies you absolutely are.

You absolutely are supposed to. But there's a gap in what you are supposed to do vs what actually happens in practice. Especially if you get a penny pinching boss that doesn't like wasting money on gloves.

That doesn't happen so much in medicine because the consequences are much higher. But for food? Not uncommon. There are more than a few restaurants with open kitchens that I've had to stop eating at because employees could be seen handling a bunch of things with the same set of gloves on.

It also does not help that food is often a mad rush.

kelnos 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

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g-b-r 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's probably the places where people would never wash their hands either

gamblor956 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Food safety regulations in most states require that food workers replace gloves if they handle raw meat and switch to other foodstuffs.

But they don't generally require them to replace gloves between batches of (the same kind of) meat, or between different kinds of vegetables, or when switching from vegetables to meat, or between customers if they're on a service line. While it's recommended in those situations, I'm not sure any state mandates it.

crazygringo an hour ago | parent [-]

I mean, they don't require gloves to be replaced in those situations because there isn't a good safety reason to. There's zero reason to replace your gloves when switching from dicing green peppers for a salad to picking up raw chicken. Or similarly between customers if you're just handling food, and not a cash register or anything. It's not like you're touching the customers...

s0rce 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People also don't develop good habits and constantly touch their face with gloves. I worked with surgeons in the hospital and they would point this out. Equally important in a cleanroom.

bonoboTP 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes but most people find it icky and would complain, especially if it's visible behind the counter. Customer is king... I can also imagine it helps with legal liability, "but we were so careful, we even mandated gloves!"

cogman10 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, that's more the problem than anything else.

And it's true that you would get cleaner food prep if you used gloves properly. However, that requires a lot of gloves getting thrown away.

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tsunamifury 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Uh yea. That’s why most places use washed hands not gloves.

I’ve never seen for example sushi portrayed with anything but bare hands

Panoramix 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Sushi chefs spend years learning the correct feel of the fish - when it's warm enough, when it's slimy. Japanese are taken aback when they are forced to wear gloves for "safety", which at least in that case is entirely counter productive.