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formerly_proven 3 days ago

A car's assumed lifecycle is around 15-20 years. Practical suburban EVs have been around for around half that, practical ICE-replacement EVs for about a third. Consequentially, EVs have not yet arrived in the econo-shitbox segment of the used car market, and it will still take some time for them to get there - this is simply a lifecycle question and not a "new product introduction question" (which most of the press gets wrong for obvious incentives).

That being said, there's an argument that even basic EVs are often much more pleasant to drive and less hassle overall, which could be a reason for them to command a sustained premium on the used market.

GlacierFox 3 days ago | parent [-]

How are EV's going to get to econobox/shitbox levels when the batteries go bad in less than half the time you mentioned and it costs ~£5000 for a new one?

ljf 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I saw a Nissan Note ev around here for £600 - the battery is good for around 24 miles - which exceeds what I'd do in a day on school run, gym run and shopping.

I would need to pay for a home charging point, but that would be a long term investment.

For me that Note would likely do me another 4 years of easy and cheap driving. An ice car of the same price would have more to go wrong and I'd be lucky to get 2 years driving from it. We are getting to the usable 2nd hand market already, and it is only going to get better.

hdgvhicv 2 days ago | parent [-]

I see 4,000 petrol cars under £1500 on auto trader. I see 1 (one) electric.

Upto £2k it’s 9,000 and 9.

ljf a day ago | parent [-]

Facebook market place had a few near me recently under £1k, but they certainly sell fast!

formerly_proven 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is a conception primarily based around the Nissan Leaf battery, which combined poor BMS, a badly chosen chemistry and no thermal management. (People sometimes claim that the batteryleaftime is because they're passively cooled, but there are other, similarly old EVs, with passively cooled batteries, that have nowhere near the battery degradation that the Nissan EVs had).

benj111 2 days ago | parent [-]

Was 'battery _leaf_ time' intended?

Toutouxc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Would be amazing if you could stop blatantly lying.

spockz 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Because newer batteries are not degrading as fast due to better thermal and load management. Because newer cars use newer chemistries that are less prone to degradation.

Moreover, just like some cars are good enough for people now, the cars with some degraded batteries will be good enough for some second hand buyers.