I avoided having minions for my entire 30 year IT career. Fuck if I'm going to let someone else's mistakes reflect negatively on me.

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justonceokay 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

May you be released from thinking that your mistakes reflect poorly on anyone, including yourself. Being bad is a necessary part of becoming good

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spl757 5 hours ago | parent [-]

When did I say any of that? wtf are you talking about? I clearly said OTHER PEOPLE's mistakes, not my own. But thanks for playing.

edit: In fact, that is exactly my point. I DO take responsibility for my own mistakes, I just don't want to be held responsible for OTHER PEOPLE's mistakes.

	▲	jjav 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> I DO take responsibility for my own mistakes, I just don't want to be held responsible for OTHER PEOPLE's mistakes. That's a sensible position. But if you want to lead a team then you must be responsible for any failures in the team as a whole. It's not easy. I've had very low performing employees in my team but I'm still responsible for the productivity of the team. My management isn't cutting me any slack just because I have a low performer in the team. If the employee is not doing the work then I must find a way to fill in the gaps until I can replace them. Usually that means I get to do all their work and all my work until a replacement is hired.
	▲	justonceokay 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		As above, so below. If you think that your reports mistakes would reflect poorly on you, then surely you also think that your mistakes reflect poorly on your manager. Which is just not the case, unless there is something bigger happening.

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onion2k 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's an entirely valid point of view, and one plenty of people share. Being accountable for other people's mistakes sucks.

The only issue with it is that you can only get positive side for work you do directly, which limits the scale of what you're seen to be capable of doing. I lead a team of about 50 (7 directly, plus their teams), so I get to lead on quite big projects that I'd only work on smaller parts of I wasn't a manager. I enjoy that aspect of my role. But yeah, taking the blame when someone screw up isn't fun.