| ▲ | fn-mote 9 hours ago |
| The rate of fatality for Alzheimer’s among ambulance and taxi drivers is 3x lower than the general population. This is not observed in other transportation-related careers. The connection is believed to be the spatial reasoning involved in routing. No causative link is suggested. |
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| ▲ | randycupertino 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > The connection is believed to be the spatial reasoning involved in routing. This is triggering me lol. I was a Paramedic for 10 years and 3 of those years were before GPS existed and we had these awful 900 page 5" thick things we had to wield on the fly called Map Books. It was part of our probation period testing and they would time us to pick out the routes reliably within a certain deadline or not graduate from being a probie. While your partner drove to the call you'd put the book on your lap and flip to the big large grid which would tell you which map your location would be on (page 770), then you'd look up the street in the back appendix to get the coordinates for the specific house (P5, C2) and then find the cross street on another page (P5, C3), go to the grid and find the closest appropriate hospital for the purpose of the call (different ERs have different functions- for gunshots go to Highland, for amputations go to CalPac Davies, for heart attacks go to UCSF, etc) (page 815), the street location for that (A6, C4) and then make your route while flipping back and forth between all the pages while simultaneously telling your partner where to turn as you go. When I went to a better ran company, dispatch would give us map page and grid coordinates over the radio when we got the call. Within a few months you learn most of the neighborhoods and routes, and road hazards and preferences- for example if going to UCSF from the Peninsula take O'Shaughnessy because there's no traffic and is a smooth ride. And if you're going to Seton Hospital from 101 slow down around the turn on the on ramp onto 280 because there is a GIANT bump that will knock your partner in the back's head into the ceiling and not be comfortable for the patient on the gurney. Map books were no fun but some of the dudes I worked with definitely became route-finding savants. |
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| ▲ | praptak 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In a similar vein, to drive a black taxi in London you have to pass The Knowledge of London exam which requires becoming a human routing database for over twenty thousand streets and landmarks. | | |
| ▲ | cjrp 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yep, if you see someone on a scooter with a clipboard attached to the handlebars it's quite likely to be someone studying for The Knowledge. | |
| ▲ | rjrjrjrj 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Made me think of this as well. If I remember the story I read correctly, they just call it "The Knowledge". What a great name. | | |
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| ▲ | troad 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is such a great anecdote, thanks for sharing! >> for gunshots go to Highland, for amputations go to CalPac Davies, for heart attacks go to UCSF, etc Oooft. My utmost respect. I could not do this job. |
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| ▲ | matsemann 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Will we see a drop in alzheimers when the open world gaming population reaches that age? I mean, I can not just navigate my city, but multiple worlds! |
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| ▲ | Mordisquitos 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And/or will we see an increase in Alzheimer's disease amongst Google-Maps dependent users? Maybe we will see a bimodal split in both directions. | | |
| ▲ | stef25 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, basically Waze is causing dementia | | |
| ▲ | jgilias a minute ago | parent [-] | | Not sure about Waze, but the combination of AI + TikTok/shorts/etc sounds like “not great” for long term brain health. |
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| ▲ | slim 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | even with one functioning eye! because you're used to navigate by looking at a 2d projection on a screen | |
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| ▲ | emmelaich 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What are some possibilities? 1. Those with spatial reasoning are less likely to develop Alzheimers
2. Ambo and Taxi drivers are less likely (for some reason) to develop Alzheimers AND their work leads them to develop good spatial reasoning.
Any others? One consideration is that those with jobs requiring long periods of concentration drink less. Among other things. |
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| ▲ | heazik 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | - Drivers with early symptoms of Alzheimer’s struggled to remain effective and changed profession | | |
| ▲ | thereticent 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I had the same thought, but occupation on the birth certificate is the "usual" occupation the person held. | | |
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| ▲ | rapidaneurism 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | People with excess brain capacity are able to easily acquire spatial reasoning, and can (more) easily work/qualify for ambo and taxi jobs. Their excess brain capacity makes progressive brain damage more difficult to impact them before other causes of death. | |
| ▲ | odysseus 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Social interaction while spatially reasoning also helps. (Social + cognitive load) | |
| ▲ | pineaux an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I haven't read the article, but what if: The problems arrizing from alzheimers are so problematic, that the cabdrivers / ambulance drivers drive themselves to death before they enter the stats as alzheimers patients? A bit like the famous bullet holes in planes from ww2 |
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| ▲ | jojobas 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Except causation, what can the connection be? Some genes causing both spatial reasoning and suppressing Alz? |
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| ▲ | peyton 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | The taxi-driving Alz patients may overwhelmingly die of something that leads to physicians not listing Alz as a cause of death. If taxi driving is loaded in such a way that Alz presents significant challenges (eg loss of income), that could be the case. | | |
| ▲ | jojobas 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | But that's not a spatial reasoning connection. Also would include all other drivers. | | |
| ▲ | vlovich123 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | One easy way to confirm this is to look at the impact of GPS on this + whether London taxi drivers get less frequent Alzheimer’s than other cities/countries that don’t have the same requirements and complexities. |
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