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root_axis 4 hours ago

The "it's just math" argument may not be technically rigorous, but it's directionally correct. The unstated reasoning invites us to consider why this particular math would be conscious, but not many other forms of math all around us.

throw310822 3 hours ago | parent [-]

First, it seems you've shifted from "intelligent" to "conscious". "These math operations produce consciousness" is different from "these operations produce intelligence".

Second, "it's just math" doesn't mean literally "it's a branch of algebra". It means "it's a computable function". So it can be relevant to the discussion only if you think that intelligence is somehow non-computable, and therefore that there are non-computable processes going on in our brain. Otherwise it's a perfectly pointless remark.

sarchertech an hour ago | parent [-]

The person you replied to isn’t the one that switched to conscious.

>non-computable

Something like 70-80% of all humans believe in a soul or spirit, and of the remainder, many of them are unsure whether human like intelligence can be produced by computable processes.

So it wouldn’t be surprising that the OP does think there are non-computable processes going on in the brain.

throw310822 an hour ago | parent [-]

> The person you replied to isn’t the one that switched to conscious

Yes he is, the message he replies to is about intelligence:

>> Intelligence (and probably consciousness) is an emergent feature

> Something like 70-80% of all humans believe in a soul or spirit

Then they should say "I believe intelligence only comes from the soul" or "I believe intelligence is not computable", if that's what they mean. "It's just numbers" as an argument is either incomplete or not entirely honest.