It's liability laundering. If an openclaw blackmails a politician while hosted in space, what's the legal recourse?

Why would the chatbot be liable instead of the person who instigated that process?

The person will argue since it was in space, no laws were broken. You think the type of guy busy trying to put data centers in space right now is gonna say “mea culpa”?

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Loughla 2 days ago | parent [-]

And then it's up to the courts to decide.

There's literally no difference between putting it in space and putting it in North Korea or some other country who won't extradite to the US or wherever. Except the massive cost.

It just doesn't make sense.

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ambicapter 2 days ago | parent [-]

> There's literally no difference between putting it in space and putting it in North Korea

Literally no difference except the likelihood of it happening and therefore whether or not we should be concerned about it. What even is this type of argument?

	▲	ceejayoz 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		It's likely easier to put it in North Korea than space.

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ceejayoz 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

International law says you spank whoever launched it. There’s treaties on this.

Barring that, we have anti-satellite missiles.

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Muromec 2 days ago | parent [-]

What law?

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patmorgan23 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

The Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies.

https://www.unoosa.org/oosa/en/ourwork/spacelaw/treaties/int...

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gessha 2 days ago | parent [-]

I don’t think rules and regulations are popular nowadays

	▲	ceejayoz 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		If someone puts a CSAM data center in space, I suspect you'll find quite a few rules become briefly popular.

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ceejayoz 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

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Muromec 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

A person who wrote the prompt, the person who spawned the instance, the person who provided the access to infra, the person who launched it.

At the end of the day, there is somebody who profits from it or could have prevented it

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steve_adams_86 2 days ago | parent [-]

My worry is that networks can be established on and orbiting the moon which become extremely difficult to get data from if someone decides to abuse it.

You can raid a data center if bad actors are utilizing it to break the law, but if some billionaire is using a moon relay to do bad stuff, the best you can do is de-allocate their bandwidth on the spectrum since you can't just hop over to the moon. Or to some craft in space. De-allocation would depend on international cooperation, inevitably. It would suddenly be far, far easier to break the law on networks and become effectively untraceable. This equipment will certainly be privately owned (like the prototypical versions already are) and it will be an extremely potent tool for breaking the law without consequence.

Also it looks like allocation of spectrum doesn't mandate logging, so you could in theory have data centers floating around which don't even trace who did what and how. If any country chooses to facilitate this and allows this communication to be received, and propagates it to their internet, what does the rest of the world do? Is it cause for conflict? Are there ways to stop the traffic from outside of the country?

I'm sure I'm missing tons of pertinent details here and this isn't meant as a totally impenetrable statement about the future. It's more so that I have concerns that this could actually happen based on the limited understanding I have. So feel free to tear it apart and let me know how dumb my idea is.

	▲	Muromec 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		>You can raid a data center if bad actors are utilizing it to break the law, but if some billionaire is using a moon relay to do bad stuff, the best you can do is de-allocate their bandwidth on the spectrum since you can't just hop over to the moon. You don't need to raid the data center, you just need to compel the flesh-bound weakling in your jurisdiction that has effective control to cede the effective control. Or hack into it by obvious means. > If any country chooses to facilitate this and allows this communication to be received, and propagates it to their internet, what does the rest of the world do? If a hostile country wants to do that they don't need space data centers. Case in point starts with r and end with ussia. Even if it is in space, somebody assigns the AS numbers and provides peering. You don't have to reach the other end of the rope to cut it. As a worst-case scenario, you just stop Internetting altogether and only allow information to flow to and from AS that are in your geopolitically aligned jurisdiction.
	▲	ceejayoz 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> if some billionaire is using a moon relay to do bad stuff, the best you can do is de-allocate their bandwidth on the spectrum Or you arrest them, or drone strike them.