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ekjhgkejhgk 14 hours ago

> As far as I can tell, the US and Israel have not yet committed anything that would constitute a war crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack

> According to witness accounts verified by satellite-based analyses, the school was triple tapped by three distinct strikes.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-iranian-girls-k...

> Eyewitnesses describe second blast which killed survivors as they sheltered in prayer hall

petre 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The US didn't ratify the Rome Statute which gives them a carte blanche on war crimes.

What a great club to be in, along with Russia, Israel and Sudan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_Internat...

Not a part of ICC, therefore no war crimes, right?

And now we also have a parallel UN just because the UN has become an object of mockery due to largely the same permanent members that can veto any decision.

yostrovs 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Pretending that there's international law, even a court to enforce it, is just closing one's eyes. It's all talk when the court is alone, without any police power to enforce its judgements. The Rome Statute and the ICC exist to make people feel better, to have people believe that the world is just thanks to a few brave bureaucrats. These bureaucrats issue statements, judgements, even arrest warrants! That sounds serious. The judges even look serious.

Schmerika 9 hours ago | parent [-]

"Might makes right" is not a smart or sensible way for a sentient species to make decisions. We depend on trust and cooperation to achieve our potential.

All the work being done to tear that to shreds (as imperfect as it always was) seems to hinge on the unaccountable Epstein class being allowed free reign to commit the most heinous atrocities imaginable... But we do outnumber those people, by a lot.

> The Rome Statute and the ICC exist to make people feel better, to have people believe that the world is just thanks to a few brave bureaucrats.

If that were entirely true, the US wouldn't work so hard on things like the Hague Invasion act, or on sanctioning ICC judges... Or on propaganda to make people believe that 'international law' is just a sanctimonious lie.

yostrovs 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree with you that I wish for trust and cooperation. But that's just not the way the world is. There is no international law. There really isn't, however much we wish it to be. And therefore bringing up statutes and the ICC is just talk. It does nothing to improve the situation or to influence it in any way.

jiggawatts 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Calling it a “school attack” implies deliberate targeting of a civilian facility.

It was obviously an error because the building used to be a military facility and is on the campus of a military base!

Yes, the deaths of the school children is absolutely horrific, I weep for their poor parents.

But it is not a war crime.

Errors, collateral damage, and civilian deaths are not war crimes!

Words have meaning, legal terms have precise definitions.

You undermine your cause if you refuse to use valid arguments, or if you misuse terminology.

srean 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> It was obviously an error because the building used to be a military facility

It is obvious to you because you want to believe it. It is not obvious to me at all. Here are my reasons.

I find it very hard to believe that they have not updated their map in the last 10-15 year of a country that (i) both the US and Israel have been itching to bomb for multiple decades and (ii) is riddled with HUMINT.

Israel's history of knowingly bombing schools in the past (in Egypt) certainly does not help the case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_El-Baqar_primary_school_b...

The pilot later went on to claim that this was deliberate.

   April 1970, Israeli Phantom
   fighter jets bombed the Bahr 
   al-Baqar elementary school in
   Egypt’s Sharqia governorate,
   killing 46 children out of 130
   who were in their classrooms
   that morning.

   Israel claimed the school was
   an Egyptian military facility,
   and Defense Minister Moshe
   Dayan said at the time that
   “the Egyptians may have put
   elementary school pupils in
   a military base".

   But an Israeli pilot who took
   part in the raid and was
   captured during the
   October 1973 war later
   revealed it had been a
   deliberate attack and that
   they knew it was merely a
   school.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/3/questions-over-minab...

Given the repetition, it smells target selection policy to me rather than an accident.

These kids would have been kids of IRGC personnel. Likely that was the reason.

defrost 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The attacks, and follow through double taps, on alleged drug boats in South / Central Americas is a US war crime on multiple counts - perfidy, willful killing, lack of declaration of war, .. etc.

The US led "war of aggression" during peace negotiations as an undeclared attack is as much a war crime as the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour.

The US school attacks in Iran might not have been delibrate targeting of civilians, but it was certainly negligent killing of civilians as an unforced error, planned in advance prior to an undeclared attack made during a period of negotiation.

Pointless arguing that here, and it'll never properly land in an international court ... so it's moot.

jiggawatts 11 hours ago | parent [-]

> double taps, on alleged drug boats

Those are war crimes, and the US specifically teaches that specific scenario to their naval officers as something that can land them in serious legal trouble.

vintermann 8 hours ago | parent [-]

The school attack was a double tap. A triple tap, even: first one strike, then a second strike timed when first responders would be assumed to be at the scene, then a hit on the closest medical clinic.

Where's the legal trouble?

Hegseth specifically said they wouldn't bother with rules of war, they are confirmed to have committed one thing even you agree is a war crime, so why do you want to give them the benefit of the doubt on the choice of target?

I don't think you would have given declared US enemies the benefit of that doubt, in a similar situation.

lb1lf 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think you need to be very biased to consider this a war of aggression.

Which, incidentally, is itself considered an international crime.

So, these children would be alive and as well as one can be inside the theocracy that is Iran unless the US and Israel committed the international crime of a war of aggression?

Schmerika 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Calling it a “school attack” implies deliberate targeting of a civilian facility.

>It was obviously an error because the building used to be a military facility and is on the campus of a military base!

... No actually, being on the campus of a military base doesn't make bombing an elementary school full of children not a war crime. If it helps, try imagining Iran bombing a school on a US military base.

And I can't help but notice that you're not mentioning the 497 other targeted schools which I made you aware of.

jiggawatts 11 hours ago | parent [-]

> try imagining Iran bombing a school on a US military base.

The US doesn't generally intermingle their children with their military bases... I hope.

Even if they did, and the base got bombed during a war, and it was obviously a targeting/aiming/intelligence error... then... well... it is war. Shit happens! Compare this to WWII, where all sides carpet bombed entire cities on purpose, with the deliberate aim of flattening them to rubble, civilians included.

PS: Something like over half of all high-rise apartment buildings that get hit by cruise missiles is because their targeting software and/or maps are shit and not "3D enough" to account for tall buildings in the way of the actual target. Yes, that's hubris with lethal consequences, but not technically a war crime. It's merely war.

Schmerika 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The US doesn't generally intermingle their children with their military bases... I hope.

There's no need to 'hope' against reality. This information is easily available to us both - there are tens of thousands of K-12 students on US military bases, in America and in other countries [0].

> it was obviously a targeting/aiming/intelligence error

... You're still somehow ignoring the 497 other schools targeted within these last few weeks. It's like your brain simply refuses to process that information - perhaps because it would force a perspective shift?

(Spoiler alert: We are the baddies. 498 schools in 4 weeks is pretty unambiguous, especially following the US involvement in bombing basically every school in Gaza.)

> it is war. Shit happens!

War crimes are not excused by 'being at war'. That's not how it works.

Many people here have already pointed out to you the many reasons and the many officials calling the first Iranian school bombing out as a war crime; and I highly encourage you to being to wrap your head around the fact. Defending war crimes is a deeply uncool way to spend your time. It's not good for you, or for the people reading it.

0 - https://www.militaryonesource.mil/education-employment/for-c...

vintermann 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> We are the baddies

Not just "we" as in Americans. Jiggawatts specifically, because I doubt they would be defending this if they weren't employed in one of the organisations now directly helping commit the worst crimes humanity has named.

AnimalMuppet 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Please review the site guidelines, especially the parts about personal attacks and assuming good faith.

vintermann 7 hours ago | parent [-]

This is about government acting in bad faith, not the person writing here.

I think that if you see someone defending crimes against humanity, I think saying basically "you haven't come to terms with with how evil the thing you're part of and identifying with has become" is the most charitable you can be.

AnimalMuppet 6 hours ago | parent [-]

You personally attacked jiggawatts specifically. Don't do that here.

vintermann 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Fine, I'll extend it to everyone else in this conversation who has trouble admitting how evil the thing they identify with has become. There are clearly more of you.

jiggawatts 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> tens of thousands of K-12 students on US military bases

Well... that's just stupid, and I hope that someone in the DoD has learned from the incident in Iran and will relocate the schools outside of the base perimeters. I doubt that'll happen somehow.

> 497 other schools targeted

a) You'll have to back that number with a reference.

b) Then demonstrate that they were targeted, not just hit. Good luck with that, unless you work for the DoD and overheard incriminating conversations!

> War crimes are not excused by 'being at war'. That's not how it works.

But war is excused!

It's just incredible to me that people are totally unable to grasp that concept that war isn't some friendly board game, or guns at ten paces, all civilised, orderly, and confined entirely to willing participants. It's the deliberate infliction of death and destruction!

> Many people here have already pointed out to you the many reasons and the many officials calling the first Iranian school bombing out as a war crime

They pointed at a error, not a crime.

A terrible, terrible error, but not a crime under international law, to which the US mostly hasn't even signed up to!

Schmerika 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> a) You'll have to back that number with a reference.

I did, here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47552783

> Then demonstrate that they were targeted, not just hit.

If you want to believe that 498 schools were hit by accident and not by targeting then you are free to do so. Personally, I think that's a profoundly silly and genuinely harmful choice to make, and would urge you not just to reconsider, but to reflect on how you ever thought such a thing.

> But war is excused!

Well, no. There are long and lasting consequences for wars of the type America has been spending trillions of dollars on for decades. Millions of lives lost. Tens of millions displaced. Massive political and reputational costs. Incalculable opportunity cost.

> It's just incredible to me that people are totally unable to grasp that concept that war isn't some friendly board game, or guns at ten paces, all civilised, orderly, and confined entirely to willing participants. It's the deliberate infliction of death and destruction!

Do you actually think the people who drew up international war crimes legislation were unaware of this? ... Really? Like, they lived through WWII and then just forgot about all the horror while writing up the legislation to try and prevent it ever happening again?

> They pointed at a error, not a crime.

That is a categorical lie. You're lying now. People pointed you to detailed statements explaining why this is a war crime, and rather than address any of those points you insist that these 498 schools are all errors because we can't prove intent. You can't seriously expect people to believe that, so I have to wonder why you're saying it at all.

Maybe you believe this lie, somehow, but it's extremely disrespectful to bs like this. It disrespects the victims of these war crimes, the people who will be hurt by the normalization of these war crimes, and the people spending their lovely Saturday time to educate you.

carstout 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In the UK and I assume elsewhere they do at least at the major sites. There is the onsite housing, leisure facilities and in some cases schools. Lakenheath has a couple onsite serving the various bases in the area for those wanting to stick with US curriculum vs local schools.

metalman 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

every single act by the US military in recent times is a war crime,pre meditated murder against people who pose no physical threat to the US, without a declaration of war. The very first act by the newly formed US military was the execution of unarmed women and children of a native tribe defending there ancient homeland. And the latest killing of one old Iatola and 200 little girls displays the wanton criminal and genocidal intent of a nation in deep denial.